Paul Roos - don't give us more excuses!

[Ted Lasso 18,781]

Bit unkind to Lloyd.

I was delighted when Roos was appointed and I am still very happy with the club's progress - recruiting is so much smarter - you can see a style of play that is winning footy evolving, so don't get me wrong, but Lloyd's column was spot on.

The one blemish I have seen Roos repeat is the talk about the past. There is nothing to be gained in speculation that some players are so scarred they will never recover. If anything past failures should make them hungrier. I remember Don Scott saying of the several premierships he played in his favourite was the first (1971) because it was with blokes who had been smashed many times a few years before.

I think Lloyd was right when he said Roos had had a couple of bad weeks. Failing to play around or deal with Oxley helped cost us the QB game and he had 2 and 1/2 quarters to do it. And the mess we made of the St Kilda game really put us under the hammer because we were getting into winning positions and failing to finish off.

Lloyd's a better commentator than many and a bit of a surprise - like Carey who is also surprisingly articulate. Roos is not above criticism but he is the best thing we have had going since Neale D.

I would argue the players are far more responsible for this than Roosy, there is a clock at the bench, the players coming on and off didn't communicate the time, and even if they didn't surely someone would have overheard a saints runner at some stage.

and Oxley, the players were bombing it long and high and the forwards weren't making a contest, so the mids didn't lower their eyes, and the forwards didn't split the high balls to 50/50's which they could easily have done.

these things are more of a reflection of our inexperience, i mean even Jones and Dunn are only recently leaders really, everyone needs to have things like this happen to learn, but all in all Roos is improving the players and building a nice little core group of players.

I think Lloyd being a former player should have realised that, Roos can't call a time out or do anything more than what he did in the saints game, and the pies game, he can't contest the high balls the forwards didn't get too

[thevil1 421]

Roos has simply given the reasons for our performances & answered the questions asked of him as openly as he can with respect to the past. These were never excuses, just facts. The media even after Geelong still brought up the past & asked Roosy about it in his press conference ffs (with respect to the 186 monkey being off out back now)!!!!! I haven't seen him hiding behind excuses. Also, with respect to age, we're not the youngest list by a long shot, but look at games experience & take out a couple of older outliers to see where we're at experience wise. Pedersen, M. Jones, older blokes with still low games tallies.......

So we were a bit extra tired one game, it happens. Some players have CLEARLY had mental demons to overcome. & some of you feel he's been using too many excuses?

..... Lloyd was a gun forward & is a complete moron in every other way imo. Roos is setting up for the long haul people & copping [censored] from people with no idea for being honest. FMD

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Roos job was always to come in and lay a foundation so another coach would take over a group that was over the past and ready to become a serious AFL team,

we hired him to take the hits that a coach without his reputation couldn't withstand, and he is clearly the best person to help us build a core that could one day result in a premiership.

How much do you wish he was staying on though? I have been on the record as a critic from day one. Literally the day it was announced.. YAY we got Roos! Oh wait it's for 3 years only. I believe it is an unprecedented arrangement. It is looking pretty good that his efforts will put us in the 8 or thereabouts next year. Why stop there? Why not be on board for the long haul to be raising that cup? I originally suspected that the 3 yr arrangement was just him leaving a back door unlocked i case everything went to hell.. Part of me still holds the hope that the arrangement will be flipped late next year, when we are really looking the goods and Roosy decides to stay on.

[rjay 24,597]

Bit unkind to Lloyd.

I was delighted when Roos was appointed and I am still very happy with the club's progress - recruiting is so much smarter - you can see a style of play that is winning footy evolving, so don't get me wrong, but Lloyd's column was spot on.

The one blemish I have seen Roos repeat is the talk about the past. There is nothing to be gained in speculation that some players are so scarred they will never recover. If anything past failures should make them hungrier. I remember Don Scott saying of the several premierships he played in his favourite was the first (1971) because it was with blokes who had been smashed many times a few years before.

I think Lloyd was right when he said Roos had had a couple of bad weeks. Failing to play around or deal with Oxley helped cost us the QB game and he had 2 and 1/2 quarters to do it. And the mess we made of the St Kilda game really put us under the hammer because we were getting into winning positions and failing to finish off.

Lloyd's a better commentator than many and a bit of a surprise - like Carey who is also surprisingly articulate. Roos is not above criticism but he is the best thing we have had going since Neale D.

Lloyd has no idea, he's a drop kick of the highest order.

[Ted Lasso 18,781]

How much do you wish he was staying on though? I have been on the record as a critic from day one. Literally the day it was announced.. YAY we got Roos! Oh wait it's for 3 years only. I believe it is an unprecedented arrangement. It is looking pretty good that his efforts will put us in the 8 or thereabouts next year. Why stop there? Why not be on board for the long haul to be raising that cup? I originally suspected that the 3 yr arrangement was just him leaving a back door unlocked i case everything went to hell.. Part of me still holds the hope that the arrangement will be flipped late next year, when we are really looking the goods and Roosy decides to stay on.

I am a really big fan of the way it's happened to be honest, if you look at the bulldogs, Macca taught them honest one on one contested football, built and developed what looks like a seriously good list and then Bevo takes over and adds some attacking flair to it and suddenly they're flying.

I really expect by the end of Roos time we will be pushing for the 8, have a list that looks seriously dangerous and Goody will add that attacking flair to the ingrained defensive habits Roos taught them, i do think for the reason you mentioned that Roosy will want to hang around in some capacity

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I am a really big fan of the way it's happened to be honest, if you look at the bulldogs, Macca taught them honest one on one contested football, built and developed what looks like a seriously good list and then Bevo takes over and adds some attacking flair to it and suddenly they're flying.

I really expect by the end of Roos time we will be pushing for the 8, have a list that looks seriously dangerous and Goody will add that attacking flair to the ingrained defensive habits Roos taught them, i do think for the reason you mentioned that Roosy will want to hang around in some capacity

what if Goody is an also-ran?

[Adam The God 29,363]

Roos job was always to come in and lay a foundation so another coach would take over a group that was over the past and ready to become a serious AFL team,

we hired him to take the hits that a coach without his reputation couldn't withstand, and he is clearly the best person to help us build a core that could one day result in a premiership.

I just wish he'd committed to 5 years, with a successor plan after that. He's so brilliant we'd be a shot in that time.

[Adam The God 29,363]

How much do you wish he was staying on though? I have been on the record as a critic from day one. Literally the day it was announced.. YAY we got Roos! Oh wait it's for 3 years only. I believe it is an unprecedented arrangement. It is looking pretty good that his efforts will put us in the 8 or thereabouts next year. Why stop there? Why not be on board for the long haul to be raising that cup? I originally suspected that the 3 yr arrangement was just him leaving a back door unlocked i case everything went to hell.. Part of me still holds the hope that the arrangement will be flipped late next year, when we are really looking the goods and Roosy decides to stay on.

I wish. Not gonna happen though. You don't bring Goody in and then completely [censored] on him.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

A key factor in Melbourne beating Geelong was they didn't allow the Cats to have a spare man in defence, finally Roos or the players got it right.

[Akum 2,660]

A key factor in Melbourne beating Geelong was they didn't allow the Cats to have a spare man in defence, finally Roos or the players got it right.

Roos has actually built a really good team for man-on-man contested ball, like Sydney. When we can keep the game at this level is when we do best. It's just when other teams use their systems and their team plays & structures to overcome our man-on-man strength (the best examples being Port & Pies) that we struggle to overcome these structures.

Against Geelong, we just stuck to man-on-man all game, and totally nullified their loose man in defence and their run off half-back.

[#11-TonyAnderson 705]

Lloyd has no idea, he's a drop kick of the highest order.

. I can't remember him ever kicking a drop kick, perhaps he's a drop punt!

[Deeoldfart 7,993]

How much do you wish he was staying on though? I have been on the record as a critic from day one. Literally the day it was announced.. YAY we got Roos! Oh wait it's for 3 years only. I believe it is an unprecedented arrangement. It is looking pretty good that his efforts will put us in the 8 or thereabouts next year. Why stop there? Why not be on board for the long haul to be raising that cup? I originally suspected that the 3 yr arrangement was just him leaving a back door unlocked i case everything went to hell.. Part of me still holds the hope that the arrangement will be flipped late next year, when we are really looking the goods and Roosy decides to stay on.

Its a very, very slim hope I reckon Curry. Integrity is a key plank of the culture Roos is building at Melbourne, and I do't think there's any way he would undermine that (or his personal credibility) by staying on as senior coach beyond his tenure (unless doing so was dictated by extraordinary and transparent circumstances). My hope is that Roos will stay on in some sort of senior football capacity after 2016, where his influence will continue to be very important. I seem to recall hearing a while ago that this is a possibility, and if my recollection is correct, l expect that Peter Jackson will have it in hand.

Edited June 27, 2015 by Deeoldfart

[dazzledavey36 52,738]

Btw its the great man birthday today.

HB Roosy

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I wish. Not gonna happen though. You don't bring Goody in and then completely [censored] on him.

Yep. The only chance is that maybe there is some sort of secret agreement where Goodwin is aware of this possibility, and accepts it. Highly unlikely though.

[chook fowler 19,250]

. I can't remember him ever kicking a drop kick, perhaps he's a drop punt!

Is that rhyming slang?

[Adam The God 29,363]

Yep. The only chance is that maybe there is some sort of secret agreement where Goodwin is aware of this possibility, and accepts it. Highly unlikely though.

Yeah, doubt it. I want Roosy to stay on though mostly so we have him in our back pocket if Goody doesn't work out.