So Vince, Cross, Labumba Jamar, Dawes and Roos are our future, laughable.

nobody said they were our future. They are experienced top line players who can show the likes of Salem, Hogan, Brayshaw, Petracca, Kennedy-Harris and other youngsters present and near future the way.

So Vince, Cross, Labumba Jamar, Dawes and Roos are our future, laughable.

Keep looking to the future, and we'll never become a good side. Just get games into young players and they'll develop by themselves, eh?

We tried the youth path before, and won 10 games in 3 years.

He is way off his form of last few years it seems. Got to agree. It comes back to what many here have arleady said and stating the bleeding obvious but our best 22 is only reasonably competitive which might allow us to beat some teams in the bottom 4 to 6 clubs on a good day.

Unfortunately once we lose 3 to 4 of the best 22 we have no quality coming in to replace them. Plus are best 22 is still shy of AFL standard players in the bottom 6 to 7 which leaves us terribly exposed when there is no one coming in from casey to put pressure on them and eventually replace them, even with a fully fit list.

to be fair today we were missing Dawes, Jetta, Viney, Kent, Frost, Trengove and Petracca, if you count the loss of salem that's 8

As of this monday i want Roosy to tell Vince to not do a tag on anyone and go out and play his attacking game again. To go back to playing his 2014 form.

Vince is not a tagger.. it was a one night stand with Dangerfield.

oh look who's changing their opinion on something the moment we have a loss

two weeks ago you were like 'OMG Vince best tagger EVA'

lightweight

Recruited a coach who has planned his exit from day one, a bunch of battlers past over by their own clubs, Cross, Vince, Labumba, Garlett, Dawes, add our aging ruckmen Jamar to that brew, should have followed the true course like the Bulldogs and Saints youth policy, not much to look forward too, except our next loss.

So Vince, Cross, Labumba Jamar, Dawes and Roos are our future, laughable, Bulldogs and Saints seem ok without desperately seeking has beans who will all be gone in two years .

These are such uninformed comments. We have 7 players over 26 years of age and 7 players with more than 100 games. How much 'youth policy' do you want??

So Vince, Cross, Labumba Jamar, Dawes and Roos are our future, laughable, Bulldogs and Saints seem ok without desperately seeking has beans who will all be gone in two years .

No, they aren't. None of those players will be part of our next premiership.

What they are there for is to support the next group coming through, something we failed to do the last time we tried it. Those guys you named above are there for the Viney's, Salem's, Brayshaw's, Hogan's and Petracca's of our list - to guide them with their experience, to help set the right culture and to support them on and off the field. We made a huge mistake last time when we went with youth by getting rid of all our experience to give them games... and we all know how that worked out.

The above guys are planting trees for the shade they will never sit under, and we as a club are better for it.

No, they aren't. None of those players will be part of our next premiership.

What they are there for is to support the next group coming through, something we failed to do the last time we tried it. Those guys you named above are there for the Viney's, Salem's, Brayshaw's, Hogan's and Petracca's of our list - to guide them with their experience, to help set the right culture and to support them on and off the field. We made a huge mistake last time when we went with youth by getting rid of all our experience to give them games... and we all know how that worked out.

The above guys are planting trees for the shade they will never sit under, and we as a club are better for it.

I like that.....

so who agrees Roosey was out coached today?

i reckon he was smashed>

for sure

all you need to do is look at the difference between the way the players were structured/manned-up when they had possession streaming out of the backlin/into attack. When Freo had the ball there were loose men everywhere and when we had the ball we could only find contests. Yes, it is partly to do with the fact that the Freo players are smarter and work harder thanmany of our blokes, but nonetheless the opposition was employing a positioning strategy that absolutely destroyed us, and it went on all day without Roos seeming to even TRY to fix it

We are a one paced side ----- Sloooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww!That's what was exposed today

So which player on our list - other than Stretch - is going to add pace - and as I said Viney, Frost and Jetta were out.

The other factor with pace is if you are always chasing because you can't win the clearance, you look even slower.

Roosy needs to spend the week working on our stoppages because our next two opponent are hot in this department.

If Tyson and Jones with support from other can break even, then the slow query goes out the door.

I would rate Pedo marginally ahead of Dawes in a forward role so my preference here.

BUT, unfortunately Pedo is useless in a resting ruck role. Dawes does a better job in this regard.

So for me it's Watts out. Pedo down back to shore up the CHB line. Dawes back into the forward line along with Howe for the marks i50, which we don't take enough of and which are critical if we are to win going forward (assuming Howe can find his kicking boot )

Everyone is useless in a resting ruck role against the Freo monsters.

Howe, not really sure where he is at, looks lazy or disinterested. Watts is a basketballer playing footy.

Freo are unreal, that midfield was just having a laugh today.

We looked sore all over the ground. We have a lot of young blokes who do need weeks off but no one to fill the void.

Tommy Mac the best defender in the game year to date. Dunn was good today.

We had a loss and you guys act like it's the end of the world. FFS keep your chin up, figure out how we can improve and look to next week.

Dom and Jonesy and Cross and Vince and Lumumba and Vanders

In reality it's just a shocking midfield, plain and simple. Compared to the top 4 it is like a VFL midfield. It is only missing Viney.

Recruited a coach who has planned his exit from day one, a bunch of battlers past over by their own clubs, Cross, Vince, Labumba, Garlett, Dawes, add our aging ruckmen Jamar to that brew, should have followed the true course like the Bulldogs and Saints youth policy, not much to look forward too, except our next loss.

You are very good at the hind site Blue, what do you suggest we do over the next 5 years to win a flag?

In reality it's just a shocking midfield, plain and simple. Compared to the top 4 it is like a VFL midfield. It is only missing Viney.

Right now it is. But it's not fixed overnight. Cross, Vince, Lamumba... they are they to lighten the load from the kids until they are ready. It might mean we still take losses like today from Top 4 sides but the long term benefit will be much, much greater.

Fro have made a lot of good teams look dreadful this season.

Every team they have played this season have been losing by 50 points by the first quarter then they Fought back in the last because Fro had switched off.

We made Fro play hard for 3 quarters instead of one like everyone else has.

Fro at a serious contender this season wear we are 12th at best.

I think the boys can hang there heads high after that performance considering were we have come from.

You can't be serious. Yes they are very good, but put that aside for a moment and just look back on how WE played. It was messy, weak, lazy, stupid football like we have gotten used to in previous years. Yes, we are generally better now, but in two of our 5 games this year we have been absolutely putrid

No surprises today so not going to get too worked up about the result.

But am struggling with the team giving up in the last qtr. Very, very disappointing. Thought we had left that behind. We should never give up no matter what state the game. Never give up - that has to become our mantra. Never give up!!

Jesus I'd forgotten how slow and lacklustre Grimes is

I thought what was most disappointing was that right from the start it always seemed like an exercise in minimisation: keeping the losing margin as low as possible.

I never felt as though the team was confident it *could* win.

Once the last started though, as Roos said the team effort went out the window and players just lost the plot. Ignore open teammates, tried taking on 30 players, snapping ridiculous shots on goal.

They went back into, "We're losing so stuff it!" mode. Before that though it was, "Let's see how long we can keep up with them" mode.

It was a clinic from the opening bounce.

The miss by Garlett running into an open goal was massive in the scheme of things.

Jesus I'd forgotten how slow and lacklustre Grimes is

Beat Ballantyne comprehensively

We were 5 goals down at 3/4 time, with Freo's lead inflated by 2 or 3 charity goals. We attacked for the first 10 minutes of the last and got just 3 behinds. Freo attacked down the middle after a turnover and Suban kicked the goal. That's the game right there.

Freo have a brilliant game plan, because it's counter-intuitive. It relies on their opposition not planning for it, getting confused, and continuing to play the same way the whole game. We could not have played more into their hands. I can't believe we set up at stoppages exactly the same way the whole game ... again, playing right into their hands. We just kept playing exactly the way they wanted us to play.

If we're seriously going to compete with the top teams, we absolutely must have a specific plan about how to counter them. If we go in with just "do the best you can", we are going to get smashed every time. If a smart coach works out how to beat their game plan, then it will be Freo's turn to get absolutely smashed.

Right now it is. But it's not fixed overnight. Cross, Vince, Lamumba... they are they to lighten the load from the kids until they are ready. It might mean we still take losses like today from Top 4 sides but the long term benefit will be much, much greater.

You're operating on the assumption that we just have to wait for Viney, Brayshaw and Petracca to eventually become like Fyfe, Hill and Mundy

I admire your ability to keep hope alive but for me it just seems like the same awful season over and over and over again

The miss by Garlett running into an open goal was massive in the scheme of things.

Yep. There were several missed chances at goal that would have kept the margin reasonable and possibly started a run-on

We stuffed them ALL up, and on most occasions the stuff-up was answered with a goal the other way

Horrific, annoying game to watch, I wish I could wipe it from my memory

You are very good at the hind site Blue, what do you suggest we do over the next 5 years to win a flag?

Maybe look at the Saints and Bulldogs, pass off has beans to teams like Melbourne, and spend time developing youth, really what does Cross bring, small slow, old, horrific disposal, our Bernie, was gassed on the bench after running with Fyfe for five minutes after threatening all sorts of exploits in the press during the week, going in with Jamar against Sandilands. you don't question one flag Roos, ok well he is done next year along with Labumba, Jamar, Vince and Cross.

so who agrees Roosey was out coached today?

i reckon he was smashed>

I believe roos lost this game at the selection table last Thursday night