18 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

The fact that he has turned our whole club around 

to where ?   think carefully

 

4.5 million  hmmmm

Edited July 20, 20169 yr by beelzebub

Hurley > Prestia

18 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

to where ?   think carefully

 

4.5 million  hmmmm

Go back and have a look at us 3 years ago. If you don't think he has turned it around you are kidding yourself. 

So you think the fact he is paid 4.5m  that we should have won a flag or something.  We were a disgrace and a basket case 3 years ago

Edited July 20, 20169 yr by Demons11

I'm with you D11, I reckon O'Mac will get there. There is something raw about him I agree but he needs time to develop. The ugly duckling story....

Dion Prestia is primarily a clearance machine which we have many of, will he help with our run and spread?

3 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Dion Prestia is primarily a clearance machine which we have many of, will he help with our run and spread?

He is a excellent outside player and goal kicker. 

You can never have too many good players 

Edited July 20, 20169 yr by Demons11

we wont get Prestia...different ideas abound

18 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

to where ?   think carefully

 

4.5 million  hmmmm

Well these days when I go to watch the Dees play we don't resemble 18 guys pulled out of local pubs 10 minutes before the game started.

He inherited a basketcase club and team that won 2 games and finished with a percentage of 54.7.

A 10 win season with a % of 100 in season 3 is significant progress.

As for Prestia outside speed is our key priority for mine. Suspect there will be clubs more desperate for a quality young inside mid.

 

6 minutes ago, demoniac said:

Well these days when I go to watch the Dees play we don't resemble 18 guys pulled out of local pubs 10 minutes before the game started.

He inherited a basketcase club and team that won 2 games and finished with a percentage of 54.7.

A 10 win season with a % of 100 in season 3 is significant progress.

As for Prestia outside speed is our key priority for mine. Suspect there will be clubs more desperate for a quality young inside mid.

 

ok 4.5 well spent ..  no probs

 

we WONT win 10  go rethink

Edited July 20, 20169 yr by beelzebub
reason

8 hours ago, Mach5 said:

 

Probably an indication he's worried his knees are cooked.

 

10 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Wants top dollar apparently 

Lol. What's your source for this, Chook?

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

says more about Roos for mine

Wonder what you thought of Chip Frawley back in his first few games in 2007 when Corey Jones of North took 10 marks and kicked 4 goals on him at Telstra Dome? Think Chip got 4 touches himself in his efforts that day.

A bit early to make a definitive call on Oscar, but as others have said, the coches rate him and i know for a fact Plapp rates him extremely highly.

Edited July 20, 20169 yr by AngryAtCasey

prestia is a 

3 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Wonder what you thought of Chip Frawley back in his first few games in 2007 when Corey Jones of North took 10 marks and kicked 4 goals on him at Telstra Dome? Think Chip got 4 touches himself in his efforts that day.

A bit early to make a definitive call on Oscar, but as others have said, the v coches rate him and i know for a fact Plapp rates him extremely highly.

is it   your call  is fair enough

so is mine   .....we'll  see  i guess

Strangely I rate Oscar as having more nouse than Tom...but Tom more presence than Oscar.... combine them and you have  a player..sadly theyare two...more sadly the Melb FD rate them

Edited July 20, 20169 yr by beelzebub

22 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Dion Prestia is primarily a clearance machine which we have many of, will he help with our run and spread?

Exactly what I think. Were exposed by a team with much more outside running power. The Saints have several very quick ball handlers. Ross, Steven, Weller, Billings to name a few. Besides Jayden Hunt, who do we have with speed and ball carrying ability. If we think Kent and Kennedy are the answer then we are kidding ourselves

 

As for the knocks on Oscar, he's shown great signs. He's played like 12 games ffs. He is still skinny and shaky with the ball, but I think he'll be a player and I rate him highly

Edited July 20, 20169 yr by DemonLad5

10 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

 

Lol. What's your source for this, Chook?

A gentleman never discloses his snout.

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

I have heard that Roos rates O Mac very highly as do the other coaches.  They believe he will be our best key defender 

It might be an idea if Oscar started showing something of what Roos sees that very few others see.

i think he has hidden talents.

so far hidden he will never find them.

boom boom!

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

I have heard that Roos rates O Mac very highly as do the other coaches.  They believe he will be our best key defender 

I agree.  I see the same things, I think, as Roosy.  The raw talents.

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

He is a excellent outside player and goal kicker. 

You can never have too many good players 

He's kicked 4.2 this season from 14 games and 30 in his career of 6 seasons. I wouldn't call him a goalkicker.

9 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He's kicked 4.2 this season from 14 games and 30 in his career of 6 seasons. I wouldn't call him a goalkicker.

Got me there 

9 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He's kicked 4.2 this season from 14 games and 30 in his career of 6 seasons. I wouldn't call him a goalkicker.

Fair point, although how much can be attributed to him playing predominantly an inside role given the absence of other players over the past two years when he's starting to hit his prime?

He can play on the outside I guess is the main point. The only concern for me is the ongoing injury. I'd still be gunning for him.

On 7/18/2016 at 8:34 PM, goodwindees said:

Two pieces of info I found it yesterday is that Dees have a 5 year ofer on the Table for Prestia. I wasn't told how much, just how long. 

I was was also told that Tom Mac wants $700,000 per season.  

That second bit has been in the media for weeks. 

And he'll get it, don't you worry.

On 7/18/2016 at 10:24 PM, beelzebub said:

550-600 

Adjusted to new cba

To prompt the next question. Tom can't be paid what ever we ought to pay our top backman.... because he isn't

Sorry, but I just have to call people on picking players salaries like this.

On what basis do you pull that number out of the air as Tom's 'value'? What are you using as comparison? And can you tell me how the new CBA has affected your calculations?

If you can't answer those questions, you're just pulling figures out of your bum, quite frankly.

17 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Sorry, but I just have to call people on picking players salaries like this.

On what basis do you pull that number out of the air as Tom's 'value'? What are you using as comparison? And can you tell me how the new CBA has affected your calculations?

If you can't answer those questions, you're just pulling figures out of your bum, quite frankly.

As mug supporters we really don't know, but in my view he doesn't deserve the coin that Rance and Talia of Adelaide are on, or other All-Australian key defenders.  Anyone know what they're earning ?

What are the Hawks paying Frawley ?  $550K ?  I know he's different in that he went for success and not coin, but on the surface $700K seems well over the odds for Tom McDonald.  Well it does to me.

31 minutes ago, ProDee said:

As mug supporters we really don't know, but in my view he doesn't deserve the coin that Rance and Talia of Adelaide are on, or other All-Australian key defenders.  Anyone know what they're earning ?

What are the Hawks paying Frawley ?  $550K ?  I know he's different in that he went for success and not coin, but on the surface $700K seems well over the odds for Tom McDonald.  Well it does to me.

Definitely more than what we should be paying him. But not above what I think some teams would offer, so therein lies the problem.

29 minutes ago, ProDee said:

As mug supporters we really don't know, but in my view he doesn't deserve the coin that Rance and Talia of Adelaide are on, or other All-Australian key defenders.  Anyone know what they're earning ?

What are the Hawks paying Frawley ?  $550K ?  I know he's different in that he went for success and not coin, but on the surface $700K seems well over the odds for Tom McDonald.  Well it does to me.

I completely agree with all of this, but there's so little transparency around pay that it's hard to make judgments. And that's not to say I think salaries should be published either - in the end, why should the public know what football players earn?

It almost doesn't matter what they're on, because it's a free market in the end. Whether Tom McDonald is worth whatever he ends up getting paid is essentially irrelevant, because he's a young, solid, KPD and there'll be a club out there who has the money to pay for him if he chooses based on money.

It's like what is going on in the NBA this off-season - there are some mind blowing numbers being bandied around for a lot of free agents that are decidedly average, but the fact that there's someone willing to pay those mind blowing amounts sets the market at the right level.

Sounds to me like Tom McDonald is chasing $$, in which case we're either in a position to match, and want to, or we're not!

Just now, Django said:

Definitely more than what we should be paying him. But not above what I think some teams would offer, so therein lies the problem.

Absolutely.  Good players always stay for less.  McDonald will be paid well either way and should take heed of the bigger picture.