Build up his body.....who knows, he always had good pace.

Does he miss playing football, or does he miss the $100K plus salary and the perks that brings?

I have nothing against Dom but he had his chance and threw it away. He's simply not a good enough footballer for us to take him back.

They say ignorance is bliss, you must be in nirvana

They say ignorance is bliss, you must be in nirvana

Ah Nirvana- where there's nothing at the top but a bucket and a mop, and an illustrated book about birds.

Not up to it.

Not up to it.

That's a rather frank self appraisal there ProDee

To play AFL these days, or even be on an AFL list, you have to be able to do at least one meaningful thing at an AFL level.

Whether it be a player being quick, an endurance runner, or excellent skills, or ball winning and hardness, etc.

I don't see any trait in Barry meeting that requirement.

He is quick and has endurance.

Held nothing against him for retiring. Family comes first in all walks of life, so good on him for giving the club notice.

That said, he's now essentially a mature age recruit. About 3 or 4 get drafted at best every year and most are behind 2-3 really good years of lower level football.

Dom never tore up Casey, and quite frankly IMO, he would need just the same development come next pre season as any 18 year old we pick up- yet he would be 22.

I would be extremely surprised if Melbourne picked him up and am pretty confident, there would be next to no interest elsewhere from how far back he will be coming from.

More importantly, I'm happy for him his family stuff is on track and his love for football has returned; I just don't expect him to be plying his trade in the AFL

He is quick and has endurance.

AFL level.

Quickness: Rioli

Endurance: (something near) Tom McDonald

I don't believe he was at the level of either.

Nothing personal against the bloke, but to put it kindly, he was in the top 5 'not ready to play a game' players I have seen in 30 years watching this club.

Can't see a place for him in our current list

I think something that may being overlooked is the culture/leadership/attitude this can build amongst the group.

The fact that we've supported him after he's left, similar to Clark, shows that the MFC cares about their players, their wellbeing and them as people as opposed to just numbers. This is something Roos et al have brought in and continue to work on/build.

You see the clubs with good cultures, Sydney/Hawthorn in particular that will often do the best by their players, no matter where they sit on the list. I wouldn't be surprised if we brought him back as a rookie and continued to support him. This would have a flow on effect onto the rest of the team.

The days where we throw our champions and leaders onto the scrap heap are gone I believe. We're doing things right. I trust the crew steering our ship these days.

Can't see a place for him in our current list

I'd gladly take a punt on him over:

McKenzie

Matt Jones

Terlich

Ah Nirvana- where there's nothing at the top but a bucket and a mop, and an illustrated book about birds.

Nah, that's the meat puppets.

Nirvana is where you find something in the way, mm hm.

Prefer Liam. We know he can play.

sadly, it's not going to happen paul.

sadly, it's not going to happen paul.

I know, and it is sad.

Edited May 2, 201510 yr by PaulRB

I don't mean to sound harsh but I don't think he was good enough anyway.

Steak-knives in the Hogan deal.

As good as Hogan is, we basically gave up Wines and Grundy for him and Barry.

I love Hogan, I'm a big fan of getting him on the list but that trade I'm still not sold on.

It's a prime example of the incompetencies at the trade table and in recruiting during the Neeld error (era).

Steak-knives in the Hogan deal.

As good as Hogan is, we basically gave up Wines and Grundy for him and Barry.

I love Hogan, I'm a big fan of getting him on the list but that trade I'm still not sold on.

It's a prime example of the incompetencies at the trade table and in recruiting during the Neeld error (era).

Are you serious? I wouldn't trade out Hogan for wines or grundy, and I'm not sure I'd trade for both anyway.

Further, we got pick 20 back as well, so effectively Dawes was included.

Edited May 2, 201510 yr by deanox

exactly, pick 20 was a vital part of the deal - which was the cost of getting dawes in.

hogan and dawes for wines and grundy.

at worst, it's breaking even.

exactly, pick 20 was a vital part of the deal - which was the cost of getting dawes in.

hogan and dawes for wines and grundy.

at worst, it's breaking even.

I Would take Hogan over Wines and Grundy, although Wines and Grundy are both equally as important to their respective clubs as Hogan is to ours and I have no doubt that all 3 will be stars of the competition in a few years time.

exactly, pick 20 was a vital part of the deal - which was the cost of getting dawes in.

hogan and dawes for wines and grundy.

at worst, it's breaking even.

At best it is 250 games from the CHF of a generation and 150 games from a solid 2nd tall forward with leadership abilities, including 50 during the dark times when he was the only un-injured key forward on our list.

No way I'd trade that back.

Love all the experts saying how Dom wasn't up to it etc etc

Yet Paul Roos saw enough to give Dom a new contract last year

Are you serious? I wouldn't trade out Hogan for wines or grundy, and I'm not sure I'd trade for both anyway.

Further, we got pick 20 back as well, so effectively Dawes was included.

Ollie Wines (round 1, 2013-present) and Brodie Grundy (round 1, 2013-present) > Jesse Hogan (round 1, 2015-present).

Add Dawes (and Barry) into the equasion if you want but considerable overs were still paid.

Grundy went to Collingwood at Pick 18.... At what stage did we have pick 18?

I think what he means is that we had picks 3 and 14, and that we could have picked up Wines and Grundy with those picks if we'd kept them. Fact is that we didn't even take Wines with pick 4 (so why would we have taken him with pick 3?) and I'm not sure that I'd trust in the former MFC recruiting team not to mess those picks up if we'd kept them. Number 3 and 14 as it stands were Lachlan Plowman and Aidan Corr (neither of whom I've ever heard of) and I don't think anyone would think of trading Hogan and Dawes for those two.