Just got back from Outdoor ed camp, and I'm a little upset we didn't land any big fish midfielders, but still really excited about Sam Frost, Lumumba and JEFFY GARLETT!

But in saying that, you can't be upset with picks 2 and 3 in the draft, I reckon we'll land Brayshaw and McCartin, even though i'd think St Kilda would be dumb not to take him.

I disagree and that testing is not the full story.

His highlights clearly show that he has a turn of speed.

The injury has clearly had an effect on his speed and endurance which is evidenced by his test results but that doesn't mean is slow and if that's what you go by when determining draftees attributes then you're missing the bigger picture.

Of course it's not the full story, but you don't know for a fact that the injury's effected his speed and endurance, do you have any testing results from before the injury? Those tests are as objective as you can get, and he should have recovered most of the speed and endurance he possessed previously after nearly 12 months of rehab. Unless he's a freak like Mitchell, the lack of speed will probably be an issue at AFL level. Lack of pace is not a good attribute for a KPB at AFL level and I hope we're not going to drat him in hte hope he may become a midfielder, because he's hardly played there in his junior career from what I can tell.

3.2sec for a 20m sprint ain't exactly speedy. In fact, it's unbelievably slow.

And yet Trengove had a time under 3.00 seconds and Watts had one around 2.82s. 20m sprint times can be deceptive.

Hartung, who is quick, recorded a similar time in the 20m sprint to Lever. Make of that what you will.

Edited October 18, 201410 yr by Demon Disciple

And yet Trengove had a time under 3.00 seconds and Watts had one around 2.82s. 20m sprint times can be deceptive.

Hartung, who is quick, recorded a similar time in the 20m sprint to Lever. Make of that what you will.

Yeah, remember back to Trengove pre navicular injuries though, he had at least a bit of toe off the mark, unlike the last 2-3 years. Watts still shows his pace during games, I don't think anyone would or could call him slow, he just doesn't use it to its full effect. Haven't seen anything of Hartung so can't comment.

Edited October 18, 201410 yr by TheoX

For those interested:

Peter Wright AFL.com.au interview:

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-08-07/big-cannon-a-draft-delight

Christian Petracca TAC Cup Future Stars interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIfvQf7XXDg

Jake Lever AFL.com.au interview:

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-08-13/injured-star-a-draft-enigma

Angus Brayshaw Beyond the Boundary interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD-TKcLo8pI

Of course it's not the full story, but you don't know for a fact that the injury's effected his speed and endurance, do you have any testing results from before the injury? Those tests are as objective as you can get, and he should have recovered most of the speed and endurance he possessed previously after nearly 12 months of rehab. Unless he's a freak like Mitchell, the lack of speed will probably be an issue at AFL level. Lack of pace is not a good attribute for a KPB at AFL level and I hope we're not going to drat him in hte hope he may become a midfielder, because he's hardly played there in his junior career from what I can tell.

Yes I know for a fact that serious knee injuries mean it can easily take longer than 12 months to get back to your top running speed. Youre absolutely wrong saying that he should have recovered most of his speed and endurance after nearly 12 months. Depending on the severity of the knee injury. You do know that in some cases you can't do weight bearing exercises for months? Meaning building up power, strength, endurance and flexibility in the surrounding muscles is a slow and delicate process for anyone with the desire to get back to performing at their best.

You're calling him slow based on a sprint test he did post knee injury and what would still be a recovery phase. The reason he completed some of the combine testing was to show how diligent he has been with his recovery and to increase his chances of getting drafted.

Youre looking at that isolated sprint test and calling him slow based off that. Which is not the full story as I've said.

If you speak to others who have seen him play post knee injury, or even have a look at his highlights reel, you'll see quite simply that he isn't slow.

Edited October 18, 201410 yr by stevethemanjordan

Yeah, remember back to Trengove pre navicular injuries though, he had at least a bit of toe off the mark, unlike the last 2-3 years. Watts still shows his pace during games, I don't think anyone would or could call him slow, he just doesn't use it to its full effect. Haven't seen anything of Hartung so can't comment.

Meaning dont take too much notice of that sprint test in isolation...

Jake Lever AFL.com.au interview:

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-08-13/injured-star-a-draft-enigma

'Not training for 8 months' - TheoX

Edited October 18, 201410 yr by stevethemanjordan

Lever strikes me as the player who will be the star of the draft.

The bloke who got an injury, slipped down the pecking order a bit and because of the risks involved, clubs became cautious.

I want the MFC to have the balls to pick him. Reading his bio and seeing some footage, it sounds like he has every attribute covered.

He's made a full recovery from his knee injury.

Many current day stars at clubs were picked later because of injury during their last years of 18's footy.

We're in pole position to land one.

I think its going to be Nakia Cockatoo or Caleb Daniel

Yes I know for a fact that serious knee injuries mean it can easily take longer than 12 months to get back to your top running speed. Youre absolutely wrong saying that he should have recovered most of his speed and endurance after nearly 12 months. Depending on the severity of the knee injury. You do know that in some cases you can't do weight bearing exercises for months? Meaning building up power, strength, endurance and flexibility in the surrounding muscles is a slow and delicate process for anyone with the desire to get back to performing at their best.

You're calling him slow based on a sprint test he did post knee injury and what would still be a recovery phase. The reason he completed some of the combine testing was to show how diligent he has been with his recovery and to increase his chances of getting drafted.

Youre looking at that isolated sprint test and calling him slow based off that. Which is not the full story as I've said.

If you speak to others who have seen him play post knee injury, or even have a look at his highlights reel, you'll see quite simply that he isn't slow.

As an aspiring professional spoertperson, he would have been doing some form of weight bearing exercises after a few weeks post op, I'd hate to think any rehab program for an ACL reco would have him NWB for "months". He would also have been doing sprinting training for months now, unless he's had setbacks. He's 12 months post-op. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Edited October 18, 201410 yr by TheoX

'Not training for 8 months' - TheoX

Like I said he's in full training now. If he didn't train for 8 months, he's been training for ~4 now. Not training doesn't mean he's sitting on the couch non weight bearing stmj.

Edited October 18, 201410 yr by TheoX

Sure we can disagree.

But I'll assume that's on the back of you never experiencing a serious knee injury before.

Edited October 18, 201410 yr by stevethemanjordan

I like Laverde now I've had a chance to look thru the Vid's & check the summaries

pass on McCartin who looks talented.

like the run with Laverde, & his size athleticism speed.

Edited October 19, 201410 yr by dee-luded

There is a bloke at Geelong who slipped to 7 in his year for the same reason. Don't think he has missed a game and is a pretty handy footballer.

He didn't have a knee reco though.

We picked up Gawn after he done his knee, he then done it again and still has a problem with his knee.

He was touted us a top 10 pick before he done his knee.

I think we will go with Wright at 3 because he can play Ruck/Forward. Frost replaced Frawley and Wright will replace Clark.

I think we will go with Wright at 3 because he can play Ruck/Forward. Frost replaced Frawley and Wright will replace Clark.

I think we will get 2 of Petracca, Brayshaw and McCartin. I get the feeling Roos prefers to trade in rucks/forwards once they have developed.

Using high draft picks on ruck men is dangerous and a lot of the best rucks cam off rookie lists or late picks anyway.

I'm not sure if this has been asked yet, but could Lever at 194cm, be a dark horse for our KPF spot? Reads the play well and can mark.

i don't believe McCartin will provide much for a Melbourne which already has Dawes and Hogan. Lever's a much better proposition.

I've gone with Lever in the end.

Maybe I'm just amused by the suggestions he could be a midfielder and, by joining our other tall players who can rotate through, create history's tallest ever center bounce group.

Gawn 208

Watts 196

Lever 194

Dunn 192 or Howe 190

I've gone with Lever in the end.

Maybe I'm just amused by the suggestions he could be a midfielder and, by joining our other tall players who can rotate through, create history's tallest ever center bounce group.

Gawn 208

Watts 196

Lever 194

Dunn 192 or Howe 190

just imagine, a better quicker version of Goddard? in the middle, one who could push forward, or back?

Purely on the highlights tapes on both boys, IMO Roos will take Lever.

He is far more versatile, agile and can take a big grab.

He can get his own ball up the ground, or down forward, whereas McCartin looked more a 1 trick pony. Lever looks a bigger version of Heppell and that is a big compliment.

Lever also has the height and may fill out and then play a key position later on anyway.

I don't pretend to know all the players but I just watched the highlights of Tom Lamb and he is very impressive. I played with players like McCartin in junior football and found they get found out at senior level because they usually monster players who have very little body strength but once the get to senior level the player punch from behind and have players taking up space infront of them. Lever unfortunately did not play last year so there is very little to go on.

Didn't we pick a player with dodgy hips?

How is that working out?

Didn't we pick a player with dodgy hips?

How is that working out?

No. We picked two players with dodgy hips.

Toumpas & Tapscott.

Good point. But who's got dodgy hips in this draft?

No. We picked two players with dodgy hips.

Toumpas & Tapscott.

Good point. But who's got dodgy hips in this draft?

I just hope our picks are bullish and AFL ready, Round 1, 2015.