Roos' Post game press conference

[Jaded No More 68,976]

Paul Roos is the best damn thing about this sad club right now.

Unthinkable that anyone could question him at this time.

[DemonDan83 95]

  On 17/08/2014 at 11:10, fired up said:

Roos should have spoken(yelled) at playing group after game, Let them know exactly what is acceptable and what is not.

Not speaking to the group was a sign of weakness from the coach,

Totally disagree with this, not speaking to the playing group would have made a very clear point and would have the players nervous about what's to come. It's like when you got in trouble as a kid and your parents just didn't talk to you, made you so much more worried and nervous. The players need to stew it over in their head first, they would have heard nothing after the match.

[nomed 113]

  On 17/08/2014 at 11:10, fired up said:

Roos should have spoken(yelled) at playing group after game, Let them know exactly what is acceptable and what is not.

Not speaking to the group was a sign of weakness from the coach,

Unacceptable.....

http://youtu.be/07So_lJQyqw

[Ted Lasso 19,586]

I know it's been said before, but wait until round 1 2015, he knows what these boys can do now, knows who needs to be cut, has salary cap space to bring in some good players, has some good picks to trade

I trust the club to get it right this time, it's going to take a couple of years but we have 4 wins, SHOULD have been more, and I think most predicted about 6 at the start of the year?

we are on par at the very least, it's just frustrating

[Deecisive 1,709]

I think roos not speaking to them says volumes about anger and what he thinks of their performance, and they will be thinking about it until he does say something which is likely to be tomorrow or Monday. I have no doubt he will not let what they did slide, better to let them simmer in their own juices for now. Question now is how many is he now looking to get rid of at the end of the year, as you really would be hard pressed to make a case for keeping quite a few of those who played/turned up today besides the quite a few who really failed to fire at Casey today.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,112]

Around 3.35 on the footage. "It's pretty simple, if you you can't keep up, you know, you don't stay on a senior list"

I think that is a signal of intent right there.

[P-man 13,367]

  On 17/08/2014 at 12:13, Jaded said:

Paul Roos is the best damn thing about this sad club right now.

Unthinkable that anyone could question him at this time.

He's not beyond scrutiny. He's the coach of a side that has kicked 3 goals against a fellow cellar dwellar with half their side out, and he's pretty much heaped it all on the payers, as he has done previously.

We back the man because we have no alternative, but distancing yourself from the players after a loss wouldn't want to become a habit. Roos isn't used to coaching a complete mess like this one.

[Ted Lasso 19,586]

  On 17/08/2014 at 13:11, P-man said:

He's not beyond scrutiny. He's the coach of a side that has kicked 3 goals against a fellow cellar dwellar with half their side out, and he's pretty much heaped it all on the payers, as he has done previously.

We back the man because we have no alternative, but distancing yourself from the players after a loss wouldn't want to become a habit. Roos isn't used to coaching a complete mess like this one.

I tend to agree, but I think Roosy might in this case be looking for a reaction, the Swans culture is player driven so maybe he's thinking, lets see how they pick themselves up, who the real leaders are and so on, I think he probably has a line through a lot of names at this stage

[ijbfossil 77]

Roos is the best man for the job.

Having said that defence is a good starting point (not great today) - but must also have a forward line - at least in the first quarter the Dees were the better side but had no forward line - all downhill from there.

[dpositive 1,838]

I said of Neeld "it's the coach"

I still maintain that and will watch now how Roos gets these players to perform

I believe he is a more experienced coach than Neeld and has obviously a successful record of having players achieve premierships

The magic combinations to do this are unknown to me but he has done it before and I hope he can do it again

No coach ever has the luxury of getting a squad of players all better than their peers. It is the coaches job to fashion what he has got or can get and use those resources to get the best result. If today was not the best that the coach requires he can address it how he wants. This season is dusted . The real test is next season and the coach will again carry the can. Until then the faith of supporters is surely tested by the performance of this team. If they do not inspire us supporters to support the coach and the players they may well not have the future they believe is ahead of them. I would reckon the coach might put this to them?

While Roos himself has seen the demise of his original club Fitzroy and I think bailed out as it went downtown improve himself and other individual members benefitted much was lost. That loss was insignificant against any potential loss of this club.

The players must be made aware of the individual and collective implications of their actions.

It is the coaches job to do this and I have hope and faith that Roos can do that

[Redleg 42,144]

  On 17/08/2014 at 10:28, 'salems lot said:

i couldnt get it to downlaod but a coach not speaking to the players after the game must be massive?!?!?!

Not at all, Leigh Matthews never did.

[rpfc 29,020]

  On 17/08/2014 at 10:56, Maldonboy38 said:

A very poignant admission that he did not speak to the players after the match because "the players have heard enough negatives and I had nothing positive to say". He looked to be in control of himself but absolutely seething underneath. He now knows that too many of the players can't kick, mark and handpass and after almost a year of his leadership a lot of them have not improved at all. I just cannot see what can be done.

  On 17/08/2014 at 11:29, stuie said:

So he doesn't address the negatives, just praises the positives?

If you want to be pedantic, and I know that you do, the quote was that the players have heard enough negatives.

So I think it would be far to say that Paul Roos discusses the negatives...

[poita 3,944]

  On 17/08/2014 at 13:11, P-man said:

He's not beyond scrutiny. He's the coach of a side that has kicked 3 goals against a fellow cellar dwellar with half their side out, and he's pretty much heaped it all on the payers, as he has done previously.

We back the man because we have no alternative, but distancing yourself from the players after a loss wouldn't want to become a habit. Roos isn't used to coaching a complete mess like this one.

Correct. Everyone wants to love Roos, but as of today we are no better, and arguably worse, than at any time last year. And that is with a clearly better list than we had last season.

For a million dollars a year I expect the coach to both win and lose with his team, not accept praise and deflect criticism.

[rpfc 29,020]

  On 18/08/2014 at 01:33, poita said:

Correct. Everyone wants to love Roos, but as of today we are no better, and arguably worse, than at any time last year. And that is with a clearly better list than we had last season.

For a million dollars a year I expect the coach to both win and lose with his team, not accept praise and deflect criticism.

Please argue that we are worse than 2013.

I would like to know how anyone can see 2014 as worse than 2013.

[Jaded No More 68,976]

  On 18/08/2014 at 01:33, poita said:

Correct. Everyone wants to love Roos, but as of today we are no better, and arguably worse, than at any time last year. And that is with a clearly better list than we had last season.

For a million dollars a year I expect the coach to both win and lose with his team, not accept praise and deflect criticism.

Yesterday was as bad as anything we saw last year, yes, but last year we saw it every single week.

To say we are worse than last year is completely untrue.

[beelzebub 23,392]

The job obviously isnt easy. Ive somewhat joking suggested elsewhere its all about the J curve. For those not conversant it means our journey still has a little way to go down before it will start rising...like a J I thought we were at the bottom of that curve but it seems we arent and still are coasting downwards.

i dont think anyone expected miracles this year but Im not sure we thought wed be staring back into the abyss again at this present moment. After a modicum of improvement its like one step forwards , two steps back

I can only really see that this year was one of longer evaluation. Roos often voices the notion of its about who wants to play, who CAN play and who is only too ready put the cue in the rack or wave a white flag.

Theres no really much else to do now than watch the rest of the train wreck unfold. I think the Sainters will fair better than us over the next two weeks and that spoon I thought unwinnable will be added to the "trophy' room.

That means some seriously good picks if we have to look at it in such a fashion. Paul, George, Todd, Jason etc.. You have your work before you. Rid us of the tumour that seeks to destroy any vestige of positivity and bring in some REAL footballers. You kknow, the ones that can run, kick , handpass and see it as an opportunity to prevail by placing head over ball and grinding an opposition into the turf. I dont need stars, just some more decent meat and 3 veg types who can actually play a halfway decent game. Lets start with that.

Paul you are accountable , as is the rest of the club. its not just the wimps that don a guernsey and let down their mates that need to dig deep and pull a rabbit out you do too. Youre the coach.

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 18/08/2014 at 01:44, rpfc said:

Please argue that we are worse than 2013.

I would like to know how anyone can see 2014 as worse than 2013.

we've kicked a lesser score , doesnt help much

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 17/08/2014 at 12:13, Jaded said:

Paul Roos is the best damn thing about this sad club right now.

Unthinkable that anyone could question him at this time.

No one is beyond a question. The opposite is complacency.

[Jaded No More 68,976]

  On 18/08/2014 at 02:01, beelzebub said:

we've kicked a lesser score , doesnt help much

We've also conceeded a far lesser score.

I think when you consider that we lost Clark and Hogan unexpectedly, and Dawes had no pre-season, so Frawley was made to play up forward, that the reduction in scoring is not really a surprise.

Last year we were getting smashed in inside 50 differentials. We've improved that this year, but unfortunately either have nobody to kick to up forward, or butcher the ball so badly we give the 2 makeshift fowards up there no chance.

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 18/08/2014 at 02:04, Jaded said:

We've also conceeded a far lesser score.

I think when you consider that we lost Clark and Hogan unexpectedly, and Dawes had no pre-season, so Frawley was made to play up forward, that the reduction in scoring is not really a surprise.

Last year we were getting smashed in inside 50 differentials. We've improved that this year, but unfortunately either have nobody to kick to up forward, or butcher the ball so badly we give the 2 makeshift fowards up there no chance.

Youre on the right track....only one stat matters...the scoreboard and you can't win games without kicking goals and weve kicked less than last year. It's not just about negating the opposition , you actually have to do something as well. We're like a castrated bull at present.

yes we were knackered without Hogan and Clark this year. Not really in to stats but one that would interest me is the number of times a gettable goal i.e. with in 30-40 m with in 45 deg offset were missed. These goals ought to be monty's

[rpfc 29,020]

  On 18/08/2014 at 02:01, beelzebub said:

we've kicked a lesser score , doesnt help much

If seen in a vacuum - the fact that we have scored less this year than last would be concerning - 66 in 2013, 59 in 2014 - however, the score is only relevant if you include the opposition.

And the opposition scored 122 a game against us in 2013. In 2014 it is 85.

So I will stomach one less goal if you allow 6 less from the opposition...

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 18/08/2014 at 02:12, rpfc said:

If seen in a vacuum - the fact that we have scored less this year than last would be concerning - 66 in 2013, 59 in 2014 - however, the score is only relevant if you include the opposition.

And the opposition scored 122 a game against us in 2013. In 2014 it is 85.

So I will stomach one less goal if you allow 6 less from the opposition...

I was playing devils advocate... You asked how it could be seen...well theres one area. A pretty important one actually...We cant kick a score for shlt !!

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

  On 18/08/2014 at 02:17, beelzebub said:

I was playing devils advocate... You asked how it could be seen...well theres one area. A pretty important one actually...We cant kick a score for shlt !!

At the moment, we just can't kick ............... find a target with both hand and foot. Basic skills with which you would expect any AFL listed player to have some proficiency...... never mind the apparent inability to even the odds at a contest.

[dimmy 1,308]

Common thing for modern coaches not to speak to the players straight after the game, because they then have to spend the rest of the week+ backtracking for something said in the heat of the moment (and sometimes out of context)

[FireInTheBennelly 4,104]

Players are clearly unable to execute basic football skills under minimal pressure. I suggest Roosy gets in touch with Melbourne Storm. Ask them if they have 5 players in need of some tackling practice. Split us into 2 teams at training for a match simulation with the 5 Storm players instructed to tackle the crap out of anyone with the ball. Time to get used to extreme pressure