GOODBYE MR. CHIP FRAWLEY

[Cards13 9,117]

His good mates with Joel Selwood too, i reckon Geelong would make a call, Hawthorn need to sure up their midfield, so they would too,

Surf coast too would be a big lure or Maroobra in Sydney.

[dees189227 12,373]

Has the B&F function started yet? Anyone know if Chip showed up?

apparently he is going

[DemonOX 8,787]

3AW tweeted that hevwas unhappy with his exit interview. Perhaps Roos told him what he really thought?

He was probably unhappy cause Roos told him a few home truths and that we don't want him.

Cya.

[nutbean 8,838]

He was probably unhappy cause Roos told him a few home truths and that we don't want him.

Cya.

Yes.. that's exactly what Roos would tell him - we don't want you.

Happy to listen to the debates about his efforts over the year and what his actual worth is.

But Roos telling him that we don't want him - now we are getting into the realms of fairy tales.

I suspect if Frawley was unhappy about his exit interview, Roos the professional would have discussed his gulf this year between being effective and being half hearted in his approach especially at the tail end of the year.

I amused by posters suggesting that club will be glad to have him gone because of his weak efforts. This is the same club that voted him 8th in the best and fairest putting him ahead Jetta, Viney, Watts, Grimes, Dawes and Pederson.

I too saw him plod for the last third of season - was he alone in doing this ? Was he the sole contributor to losing the last 10 ?

He will go and we will pick up a first band draft pick ( hopefully) and we move on.

We will move on to next years free agent who delays talks (bookmark it) and becomes the biggest spud to ever play for our club and we are better off seeing the back of him.

[Redleg 40,843]

Yes.. that's exactly what Roos would tell him - we don't want you.

Happy to listen to the debates about his efforts over the year and what his actual worth is.

But Roos telling him that we don't want him - now we are getting into the realms of fairy tales.

I suspect if Frawley was unhappy about his exit interview, Roos the professional would have discussed his gulf this year between being effective and being half hearted in his approach especially at the tail end of the year.

I amused by posters suggesting that club will be glad to have him gone because of his weak efforts. This is the same club that voted him 8th in the best and fairest putting him ahead Jetta, Viney, Watts, Grimes, Dawes and Pederson.

I too saw him plod for the last third of season - was he alone in doing this ? Was he the sole contributor to losing the last 10 ?

He will go and we will pick up a first band draft pick ( hopefully) and we move on.

We will move on to next years free agent who delays talks (bookmark it) and becomes the biggest spud to ever play for our club and we are better off seeing the back of him.

The guy wants to play finals and earn as much as he can.

This is the system the AFL has created.

The anger needs to stop.

We should just appreciate his efforts and hope that he has 4 boys who are all good footballers and then when they are draft age we are a strong club to which they can come as father sons.

[nutbean 8,838]

The guy wants to play finals and earn as much as he can.

This is the system the AFL has created.

The anger needs to stop.

We should just appreciate his efforts and hope that he has 4 boys who are all good footballers and then when they are draft age we are a strong club to which they can come as father sons.

Amen. It's not that difficult really.

[old dee 23,781]

The guy wants to play finals and earn as much as he can.

This is the system the AFL has created.

The anger needs to stop.

We should just appreciate his efforts and hope that he has 4 boys who are all good footballers and then when they are draft age we are a strong club to which they can come as father sons.

That covers it Redleg.

Not sure why people cannot come to grips with FA

[sue 9,096]

That covers it Redleg.

Not sure why people cannot come to grips with FA

What Redleg says is true, but surely you know why many people 'cannot come to grips with FA'. Many of us bemoan the way it changes the relationship between supporters and players and the club. Some unfairly react against the individual players in frustration.

As I posted elsewhere, once the relationship with the club becomes a purely business one and the value of membership becomes largely a financial decision about the best way to attend matches, supporters like me who can't get to matches often will drop their membership. The AFL doesn't care because it is full of empire builders who eye the dollars/pounds and glamour of the EPL.

[Junior 46]

apparently he is going

He was there and even hung around for an hour afterwards talking to ppl.

[nutbean 8,838]

What Redleg says is true, but surely you know why many people 'cannot come to grips with FA'. Many of us bemoan the way it changes the relationship between supporters and players and the club. Some unfairly react against the individual players in frustration.

As I posted elsewhere, once the relationship with the club becomes a purely business one and the value of membership becomes largely a financial decision about the best way to attend matches, supporters like me who can't get to matches often will drop their membership. The AFL doesn't care because it is full of empire builders who eye the dollars/pounds and glamour of the EPL.

100% correct - but we can moan all we like - FA is here and we are seeing the results of it. Some will drop off supporting AFL - I will be semi hypocritical and fully support the club and the players with the knowledge that my support for the players will have to be conditional as more and more test the free agency waters and move to green pastures.

The solution for us to become one of those greener pastures - easier said than done.

[drdrake 3,162]

What Redleg says is true, but surely you know why many people 'cannot come to grips with FA'. Many of us bemoan the way it changes the relationship between supporters and players and the club. Some unfairly react against the individual players in frustration.

As I posted elsewhere, once the relationship with the club becomes a purely business one and the value of membership becomes largely a financial decision about the best way to attend matches, supporters like me who can't get to matches often will drop their membership. The AFL doesn't care because it is full of empire builders who eye the dollars/pounds and glamour of the EPL.

I would say we as a club have done OK out of free agency. We stuffed up getting Byrnes as it effected our return for Rivers and Moloney but Sylvia was a win for us and if Frawley goes and we get a Band 1 compensation this again will be well overs for Frawley. To get Pick 3 for him gives us every chance to get a deal done for a better players than Frawley.

[old dee 23,781]

100% correct - but we can moan all we like - FA is here and we are seeing the results of it. Some will drop off supporting AFL - I will be semi hypocritical and fully support the club and the players with the knowledge that my support for the players will have to be conditional as more and more test the free agency waters and move to green pastures.

The solution for us to become one of those greener pastures - easier said than done.

I am now truly worried you are my long lost brother nutbean.

back to above

YEP

[DemonOX 8,787]

Yes.. that's exactly what Roos would tell him - we don't want you.

Happy to listen to the debates about his efforts over the year and what his actual worth is.

But Roos telling him that we don't want him - now we are getting into the realms of fairy tales.

I suspect if Frawley was unhappy about his exit interview, Roos the professional would have discussed his gulf this year between being effective and being half hearted in his approach especially at the tail end of the year.

I amused by posters suggesting that club will be glad to have him gone because of his weak efforts. This is the same club that voted him 8th in the best and fairest putting him ahead Jetta, Viney, Watts, Grimes, Dawes and Pederson.

I too saw him plod for the last third of season - was he alone in doing this ? Was he the sole contributor to losing the last 10 ?

He will go and we will pick up a first band draft pick ( hopefully) and we move on.

We will move on to next years free agent who delays talks (bookmark it) and becomes the biggest spud to ever play for our club and we are better off seeing the back of him.

Settle down nutbean it was a tongue in cheek comment.

Calm down and breath it's ok.

[Redleg 40,843]

What Redleg says is true, but surely you know why many people 'cannot come to grips with FA'. Many of us bemoan the way it changes the relationship between supporters and players and the club. Some unfairly react against the individual players in frustration.

As I posted elsewhere, once the relationship with the club becomes a purely business one and the value of membership becomes largely a financial decision about the best way to attend matches, supporters like me who can't get to matches often will drop their membership. The AFL doesn't care because it is full of empire builders who eye the dollars/pounds and glamour of the EPL.

Agree.

[nutbean 8,838]

Settle down nutbean it was a tongue in cheek comment.

Calm down and breath it's ok.

Sometimes hard to tell.

I am just amused with some posters who's opinion on certain players is purely a reflection of the players contract status.

If Jones doesn't sign by mid next season I will watch as he has goes from a triple B&F winner who bleeds red and blue to a player with limited ability who we can replace with pick 20 draftee.

[rpfc 28,263]

Sometimes hard to tell.

I am just amused with some posters who's opinion on certain players is purely a reflection of the players contract status.

If Jones doesn't sign by mid next season I will watch as he has goes from a triple B&F winner who bleeds red and blue to a player with limited ability who we can replace with pick 20 draftee.

That's not the scenario.

The scenario will be that Jones will be treated differently to Frawley. The same decision by different players inferred in one way for players one likes and another, more dastardly and conspiratorially, for players we don't like.

FA has changed the landscape and there will be more and more players, important players, who delay their signing of any contract until the point at which they can make a fully informed decision - the October they are literally a Free Agent.

Teams are not allowed to talk to players outside of October but we all know that is not policed - in the US it is enforced, so much so that players have calls from teams at 12.01am in the morning of their Free Agency window.

The animosity toward Frawley based purely on speculation is more than disheartening, it's unnecessary and it's will become less relevant as more and more players take their time in FA.

One day soon, Free Agents will be barred from signing any contract extension until the window opens and the game will be better for it.

[poita 3,896]

What Redleg says is true, but surely you know why many people 'cannot come to grips with FA'. Many of us bemoan the way it changes the relationship between supporters and players and the club. Some unfairly react against the individual players in frustration.

As I posted elsewhere, once the relationship with the club becomes a purely business one and the value of membership becomes largely a financial decision about the best way to attend matches, supporters like me who can't get to matches often will drop their membership. The AFL doesn't care because it is full of empire builders who eye the dollars/pounds and glamour of the EPL.

Tell me more about "the relationship between supporters and players and the club". Because, reading this forum, it seems like the supporters want to trade / delist 90% of our players after every bad game. But when you have a player investigating what is the best for his career and his future, everyone wants to stick the boots in. It sounds like you want the players to suck up and take whatever comes there way, just waiting for the guillotine to fall. Sorry, but that's not the way the world works.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,083]

The guy wants to play finals and earn as much as he can.

This is the system the AFL has created.

The anger needs to stop.

We should just appreciate his efforts and hope that he has 4 boys who are all good footballers and then when they are draft age we are a strong club to which they can come as father sons.

Too right, Redleg. Not only that, but those who moan about Frawley presumably appreciate Daniel Cross, Bernie Vince and Dom Tyson, who all came to us as a result of the same AFL system.

[sue 9,096]

Tell me more about "the relationship between supporters and players and the club". Because, reading this forum, it seems like the supporters want to trade / delist 90% of our players after every bad game. But when you have a player investigating what is the best for his career and his future, everyone wants to stick the boots in. It sounds like you want the players to suck up and take whatever comes there way, just waiting for the guillotine to fall. Sorry, but that's not the way the world works.

Reading the forum of course you see a lot of posters putting the boot into players and the club. Often out of frustration and sometimes wrongly. But if they didn't care they wouldn't post. That is part of the 'relationship'. If footy just becomes a spectator business, the relationship changes. I like watching movies, but I wouldn't give a damn if Paramount/Universal/whatever failed. I do when the MFC does. Will I in 10 years time if players change jumpers every season or two?

I haven't stuck the boot into any FA player. I understand why they want to maximise their earnings etc. Yes, the world works differently than it used to. I regret that. I assume you are not saying it is somehow immoral for anyone to regret the change?

[Redleg 40,843]

Too right, Redleg. Not only that, but those who moan about Frawley presumably appreciate Daniel Cross, Bernie Vince and Dom Tyson, who all came to us as a result of the same AFL system.

Slightly different as Cross delisted and Vince and Tyson traded, for better picks by their clubs, but I agree generally.

[beelzebub 23,313]

Red... I doubt Chip is going to Kittyland for any more than we offered. Its just to play finals and fair enough. He might have saved much grief though by shutting up and not offering up the bullshlt he did. This in my estimation lowered his credentials to many a Dee supporter, myself included.

Im quite happy for him to go and to go wherever. Its a job.

[nutbean 8,838]

Red... I doubt Chip is going to Kittyland for any more than we offered. Its just to play finals and fair enough. He might have saved much grief though by shutting up and not offering up the bullshlt he did. This in my estimation lowered his credentials to many a Dee supporter, myself included.

Im quite happy for him to go and to go wherever. Its a job.

There should be a "numbnuts are banned from speaking to media " clause in players like Frawley's contracts

[Machsy 2,858]

It's quite amusing to have some inside knowledge of the situation, then seeing posers like Picket Fence making strong obvious proclamations, and acting as if they have some idea of the real situation when the reality is that they don't.

They've just hitched their star to an obvious wagon that most remain unsure of, then hammered the point home with such surety as they attempt to convince others their bluff is legit.

Laughable really.

[Return to Glory 8,412]

It's quite amusing to have some inside knowledge of the situation, then seeing posers like Picket Fence making strong obvious proclamations, and acting as if they have some idea of the real situation when the reality is that they don't.

They've just hitched their star to an obvious wagon that most remain unsure of, then hammered the point home with such surety as they attempt to convince others their bluff is legit.

Laughable really.

Give us the scoop Machsy.

[Return to Glory 8,412]

Preferably before the event.