joeboy 3,191 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 N. Jones- was well controlled Grimes - accountable but fragile Salem - we've found one Watts - far from acceptable Dawes - tried but failed Viney- energetic but flawed Frawley - a forgettable game Byrnes - didn't justify selection Tyson - prolific and creative Dunn - our most consistent Cross - just a professional Pederson - continues to surprise Vince - gutsy and creative Kennedy- Harris - making steady improvements McDonald - should never kick Howe - little boy lost Jamar - outstanding in ruck Bail - was probably playing M. Jones - impressive under pressure Terlich - see McDonald's comments Jetta - excellent until subbed Georgiou - limited but conscientious
The Song Formerly Known As 6,479 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Why is everyone saying Jones was well controlled when he had 33 possessions? Are some people actually dumb? Yes he wasn't as influential, but he was still solid as always. If his name was Ablett, with the same game it'd be hailed as another good game for "the legend." Geez Louise
old dee 24,082 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Why is everyone saying Jones was well controlled when he had 33 possessions? Are some people actually dumb? Yes he wasn't as influential, but he was still solid as always. If his name was Ablett, with the same game it'd be hailed as another good game for "the legend." Geez Louise Agree I thought N J was one of our best again.
Grapeviney 9,929 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Tyson "prolific" with 16 touches but Jones "well-controlled" with 33 ? Not in my book.
TGR 1,367 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Viney- energetic but flawed Give me his flaws anyday.
SaberFang 7,151 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 N Jones has the B&F wrapped up for the third year running, but Cross is probably right on his heels.
titan_uranus 25,252 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Jetta 'excellent'? Tyson 'prolific'? N Jones 'well controlled'? Jamar 'outstanding'?
BAMF 4,479 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Love your work. But you have taken a glass half empty approach, while I viewed most as glass half full
Maldonboy38 6,435 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 N. Jones- strong and active Grimes - strong but careful Salem - brief but classy Watts - indifferent and lazy Dawes - beaten by opponent Viney- energetic but flawed Frawley - poor forward's game Byrnes - didn't justify selection Tyson - strong but contained Dunn - our backline general Cross - sets a standard Pederson - grunt and skill Vince - creative but limited Kennedy- Harris - a real spark McDonald - beat Buddy Franklin Howe - spark's gone out Jamar - good ruckman's game Bail - had little impact M. Jones - intense and poised Terlich - ok, but shaky Jetta - strong and defensive Georgiou - limited but conscientious
BAMF 4,479 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Jetta 'excellent'? Tyson 'prolific'? N Jones 'well controlled'? Jamar 'outstanding'? I thought he (jamar) was very good considering it was his first game back.
Maldonboy38 6,435 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Harsh on Viney. I reckon we all love his hardness and perseverance, and he takes no prisoners, but his kicking is a huge liability to team confidence. It is not just that it often lacks penetration but it rarely drops onto his boot correctly, and rarely does his intended target get to mark the ball. He either kicks it and makes the recipient have to stand still and wait for it, kicks it behind them, or just stuffs the kick all together. We might be expecting too much of him but his kicking efficiency this year has got right under my skin.
buck_nekkid 6,100 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Watts - long time gone Salem - sub no more Jamar- taps without advantage Roos - taking us somewhere Umpires -are you kidding? Goodes- class and skill 2014- room for improvement
tonatopia 278 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Roos must do his magic with Watts and Howe. Too much talent to play in the twos. I hope we dont have to drop them. But something needs to be done.
old dee 24,082 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 I thought he (jamar) was very good considering it was his first game back. 95% of his hit outs went straight to the swans
baysidedave 246 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 N. Jones- strong and active Grimes - strong but careful Salem - brief but classy Watts - indifferent and lazy Dawes - beaten by opponent Viney- energetic but flawed Frawley - poor forward's game Byrnes - didn't justify selection Tyson - strong but contained Dunn - our backline general Cross - sets a standard Pederson - grunt and skill Vince - creative but limited Kennedy- Harris - a real spark McDonald - beat Buddy Franklin Howe - spark's gone out Jamar - good ruckman's game Bail - had little impact M. Jones - intense and poised Terlich - ok, but shaky Jetta - strong and defensive Georgiou - limited but conscientious pretty much agree with all of that except Viney, he's not flawed he's just young, has played 15 games, he'll be our captain in 5-6 years
titan_uranus 25,252 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 I thought he (jamar) was very good considering it was his first game back. I'll cut him slack for it being his first game back, but we will go nowhere until we find a ruckman who can play football. Jamar cannot mark the ball, it's sad really.
baysidedave 246 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Watts - long time gone Salem - sub no more Jamar- taps without advantage Roos - taking us somewhere Umpires -are you kidding? Goodes- class and skill 2014- room for improvement agree about umps, they are pathetic
old dee 24,082 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Watts - long time gone Salem - sub no more Jamar- taps without advantage Roos - taking us somewhere Umpires -are you kidding? Goodes- class and skill 2014- room for improvement Spot on
rjay 25,424 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 I'll cut him slack for it being his first game back, but we will go nowhere until we find a ruckman who can play football. Jamar cannot mark the ball, it's sad really. We had one in Clark, couldn't be in 2 places and now he's in none. A big, big loss... ...but we really need to get a developed ruck who's not getting a consistent game. Think Mummy at the Cat's, Jacobs at Carlton...
TGR 1,367 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 We might be expecting too much of him but his kicking efficiency this year has got right under my skin. He might not penetrate, but Viney aint no Cale Morton with ball in hand. Expect his kicking efficiency stats to steadily rise. His fundamentals are OK, so no need to chuck a tanty over it. They guy works hardest for his size and age. Work-rate, tackling, fighting, 2nd-effort, 3rd-effort, another tackle, and we wonder why he struggles a tiny bit? His a kid. His tank is 70% of what it will be. His knackered when he finally gets it. As Roos said, 16 are doing the work for 22. Viney is doing the work for 2.
TGR 1,367 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Luke Darcy - Didn't like aggression (when we were into Buddy early in the game. Thought we were going to waken the monster) Luke Darcy - Loved our aggression (and in-your-face approach in the 2nd quarter)
BAMF 4,479 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 95% of his hit outs went straight to the swans Yeah. And 95% of the time Spencers went to the opposition too. Guess what? When they win the tap it goes to the right spot. Our mids are just not there. Our mids cannot read the tap. Not that I think it makes a big difference. The ruck is the most overrated position on the ground.
Undeeterred 3,127 Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 N. Jones- strong and active Grimes - strong but careful Salem - brief but classy Watts - indifferent and lazy Dawes - beaten by opponent Viney- energetic but flawed Frawley - poor forward's game Byrnes - didn't justify selection Tyson - strong but contained Dunn - our backline general Cross - sets a standard Pederson - grunt and skill Vince - creative but limited Kennedy- Harris - a real spark McDonald - beat Buddy Franklin Howe - spark's gone out Jamar - good ruckman's game Bail - had little impact M. Jones - intense and poised Terlich - ok, but shaky Jetta - strong and defensive Georgiou - limited but conscientious Pedersen skilled and Vince limited? Not sure about that...
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