Training - Wednesday 8th January, 2014

[sue 9,102]

Who shot the messenger??

I shot the message.

It's genuinely silly concern.

I'm not sure if silly is the most appropriate word, but I think Machsy is right. To call the MFC website a 'joke' on these grounds is a bit rich.

First, only a tiny minority of Demon supporters are interested in such pictures, let alone having new ones available after every n^th training session.

Second, I expect it takes more than 5 minutes for someone to snap the photos, upload them and create all the new URL's with headings in the AFL system. You wouldn't want a coaching staff member to be doing it since they have better things to do at and around training times. (We all know what a pile of crud the AFL's templates are.) So it would have to be someone in another role. Do we really know that there is a superfluous staff member with their feet up and capable of doing this?

As pointed out, the MFC site is being updated a lot more than other clubs. If you want the MFC website to be 'not a joke', find the $ to enable us to get out of the AFL's embrace and hire more staff. But until we are rolling in $ like C'wood, there will be better things to spend money on.

With all the new players I don't know who is who in many photos that have been uploaded, so it would be great for me if they could label the photos. But I'd prefer them to focus on developing players and winning games.

[Hannibal 5,814]

Roos game-plan won't be the same as the one he had at Sydney. It wouldn't be the same if he was still coaching Sydney. There's also no doubt that Longmire got them to attack more. This was broadly canvassed years ago.

Naturally there will be strong elements of the Sydney game-plan, as that's how Roos believes footy should be played. Premierships are won by defence and he'll build from there.

[deeko 952]

Roos game-plan won't be the same as the one he had at Sydney. It wouldn't be the same if he was still coaching Sydney. There's also no doubt that Longmire got them to attack more. This was broadly canvassed years ago.

Naturally there will be strong elements of the Sydney game-plan, as that's how Roos believes footy should be played. Premierships are won by defence and he'll build from there.

I think the exciting thing with the game plan here will be the big forwards we have in comparison to the Swans had while he was in charge.

From memory the Swans key forwards were Hall & Micky O. Can't recall who the second ruck man was which would have seen Jolly rest down there although I am sure he would have from time to time. O'Loughlin was hardly big anyway. Am I missing another obvious big forward?

I thought Sydney played some super exciting football last year under Longmire going long and direct but I suppose its easier when he had a few more bigs to play with picking up Tip, having the Canadian come on and cameos from Reid and Goodes playing predominately forward.

[binman 42,896]

I thought Sydney played some super exciting football last year under Longmire going long and direct but I suppose its easier when he had a few more bigs to play with picking up Tip, having the Canadian come on and cameos from Reid and Goodes playing predominately forward.

Yep, i agree. I can see Roos adopting a similar approach. You're right Pyke was really important for them up forward. Didn't he take the most marks last year. Also great kick for a big guy who didn't grow up playing footy

[Bitter but optimistic 22,237]

nah man, too much free training gear to be had! Even if it is filth colors.

Good point Song - plus.... and i'm only guessing here .. you can do some real kinky dress up stuff with it?

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

Good point Song - plus.... and i'm only guessing here .. you can do some real kinky dress up stuff with it?

Bring out the gimp!

And if your profile picture is anything to go by, you my dear friend, aren't too foreign to the subject either!

[Moonshadow 17,676]

You two should get a room together. Quickly.

[bing181 9,218]

Streaming would obviously assist our interstate and overseas supporters.

Getting OT here, new thread anyone?

As an overseas supporter (!), agree entirely. But from what I can see, broadcasting of sport in Australia still lags considerably behind what is possible via newer medias, especially streaming, primarily I suspect because of revenue and ownership issues, plus the dominance of "TV Culture". By way of contrast, there are countries where the main sports are ONLY available via streaming.

FWIW, the AFL do stream all their matches live - but only to we overseas viewers. Against that, it's simply TV-on-your-computer, and doesn't even begin to exploit the possibilities that streaming offers as an interactive experience. It's also fairly flakey, and a bit Heath Robinson - though that sums up the AFL's confused and bumpy relationship with the net as a whole.

Casey? Great, if it's technically possible. But I believe ABC have the VFL broadcast rights, and live streaming of sports events when there's no TV feed and OB van is not as easy as it might appear. Anyone who watched some of the draftees highlights, shot by non-professionals on a single camera and with no ancillary equipment would know just how low the bar can be set.

[rjay 24,917]

Getting OT here, new thread anyone?

As an overseas supporter (!), agree entirely. But from what I can see, broadcasting of sport in Australia still lags considerably behind what is possible via newer medias, especially streaming, primarily I suspect because of revenue and ownership issues, plus the dominance of "TV Culture". By way of contrast, there are countries where the main sports are ONLY available via streaming.

FWIW, the AFL do stream all their matches live - but only to we overseas viewers. Against that, it's simply TV-on-your-computer, and doesn't even begin to exploit the possibilities that streaming offers as an interactive experience. It's also fairly flakey, and a bit Heath Robinson - though that sums up the AFL's confused and bumpy relationship with the net as a whole.

Casey? Great, if it's technically possible. But I believe ABC have the VFL broadcast rights, and live streaming of sports events when there's no TV feed and OB van is not as easy as it might appear. Anyone who watched some of the draftees highlights, shot by non-professionals on a single camera and with no ancillary equipment would know just how low the bar can be set.

The shots of the Renmark game last preseason were pretty good from what looked like one camera so it can be done.

[Pennant St Dee 13,171]

I think the exciting thing with the game plan here will be the big forwards we have in comparison to the Swans had while he was in charge.

From memory the Swans key forwards were Hall & Micky O. Can't recall who the second ruck man was which would have seen Jolly rest down there although I am sure he would have from time to time. O'Loughlin was hardly big anyway. Am I missing another obvious big forward?

I thought Sydney played some super exciting football last year under Longmire going long and direct but I suppose its easier when he had a few more bigs to play with picking up Tip, having the Canadian come on and cameos from Reid and Goodes playing predominately forward.

Sydney of 05 had a very handy back up ruckman in Jason Ball & from memory he retired after the GF and Stephen Doyle was back up the following season. Pretty sure Ryan O'Keefe played mostly as a forward back then and as you say Hall & Micky O were the two main targets with the resting ruckman. Amon Buchanan & Schneider were two small forwards they had.

[low flying Robbo 979]

Was it this time last year when they were doing really well with video stuff on the website? There were things like the Nate Jones GoPro stuff and all the videos from the NT camp... As stated earlier, maybe the staff are just on leave still.

If I ever manage to have a morning off, i'll try to get down and watch a training session and try to take some pictures...

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

Getting OT here, new thread anyone?

As an overseas supporter (!), agree entirely. But from what I can see, broadcasting of sport in Australia still lags considerably behind what is possible via newer medias, especially streaming, primarily I suspect because of revenue and ownership issues, plus the dominance of "TV Culture". By way of contrast, there are countries where the main sports are ONLY available via streaming.

FWIW, the AFL do stream all their matches live - but only to we overseas viewers. Against that, it's simply TV-on-your-computer, and doesn't even begin to exploit the possibilities that streaming offers as an interactive experience. It's also fairly flakey, and a bit Heath Robinson - though that sums up the AFL's confused and bumpy relationship with the net as a whole.

Off topic completely now, but what's the quality of the overseas streaming service? From what I can gather it is terrible only broadcast in 586p or whatever it is and maxes out at ~700kbps - compare this to the NFL Gamepass which is broadcast in HD (1080p?) and maxes out at 4500kbps.

[daisycutter 29,613]

FWIW Channel 9's cricket broadcast is 576p

(and If IRC so is Channel 7's footy)

[deeko 952]

Sydney of 05 had a very handy back up ruckman in Jason Ball & from memory he retired after the GF and Stephen Doyle was back up the following season. Pretty sure Ryan O'Keefe played mostly as a forward back then and as you say Hall & Micky O were the two main targets with the resting ruckman. Amon Buchanan & Schneider were two small forwards they had.

Thanks Pennant.

Can't recall Doyle at all and don't remember clunking many grabs inside the forward 50. So really it was Hall, a non threatening ruckman, to mid sized forwards in O'Keefe and Micky O and some smalls.

In comparison we are hugely top heavy unless we go long and quick.

Very exciting how Roos will play it out.