On 18/09/2013 at 03:24, Nasher said:

Must have been screwed over by Scott too, I suppose?

Agree.

  On 18/09/2013 at 03:39, nutbean said:

I think you can question when a player is dumped by one club but I'm figuring that something is going on when you are dumped by your second.

  On 18/09/2013 at 03:36, old dee said:

Just another poor selection.

Plain and simple.

Double Agree.

The irony is Gysberts was one of the very few midfielders that Prendergast recruited. And he recruited a dud one. Aargh!

  On 18/09/2013 at 03:57, Sylvia Saint said:

Gysberts for Pederson. Talk about a nil-all draw.

At the time I thought we were getting shafted in a big way so I'll take this as a win!! lol

No it's 0-2 against MFC.

We kicked an own goal when we wasted a first round pick on him.

We kicked another own goal offering Pedersen a 3 year contract.

It's enough to make the Southern Stars blush!!!

  On 18/09/2013 at 02:41, Moonshadow said:

You can't polish a tu rd, but you can roll it in glitter.

You are obviously not a fan of Mythbusters. They had a show where the challenge was to polish a turd, and they were successfull!

You have to laugh at the quiet smugness of Pendergast in that article, talking as if he had nailed the draft.

  On 18/09/2013 at 03:59, stevethemanjordan said:

"Gysberts is going to be our Scott Pendelbury..."

"Morton will be our Adam Goodes"

Demonland...

Lol

Guilty of the above, although I said Cale will be our Goddard.

It was hard not to get sucked in, got some big possession games early between some ordinary games. At that time, being the eternal optimists we were it was hard not getting excited blaming the poor games on lack of experience.

For those who are interested, he was pretty consistent getting the pill this year with most games getting 20-25 touches for Werribee. Was only in the best 3 times however which is very disappointing for someone who I thought would have been one of the most desperate to prove people wrong.

If anyones interested:

http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192149667&client=1-118-10455-253880-18717710

I heard that the Gys did have attitude problems at Melbourne but?

Makes you wonder what the hell Neeld was thinking getting Pedersen on board!? We already had Sellar, Fitzy, Clark, Dawes, Gawn, Spencer, Jamar, Mcdonald, Frawley, Davis as our talls yet he decides to add Pedersen when clearly we were crying out for midfielders!

  On 18/09/2013 at 04:15, deeko said:

Guilty of the above, although I said Cale will be our Goddard.

It was hard not to get sucked in, got some big possession games early between some ordinary games. At that time, being the eternal optimists we were it was hard not getting excited blaming the poor games on lack of experience.

For those who are interested, he was pretty consistent getting the pill this year with most games getting 20-25 touches for Werribee. Was only in the best 3 times however which is very disappointing for someone who I thought would have been one of the most desperate to prove people wrong.

If anyones interested:

http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192149667&client=1-118-10455-253880-18717710

As an AFL listed player whose supposedly a ball magnet, that's pretty ordinary. He needed to be among the best most weeks. Had everything to prove this year and failed to do so.

He's basically just not as good as what he was touted as by the Melbourne PR machine.

  On 18/09/2013 at 04:18, dazzledavey36 said:

I heard that the Gys did have attitude problems at Melbourne but?

Makes you wonder what the hell Neeld was thinking getting Pedersen on board!? We already had Sellar, Fitzy, Clark, Dawes, Gawn, Spencer, Jamar, Mcdonald, Frawley, Davis as our talls yet he decides to add Pedersen when clearly we were crying out for midfielders!

Are there any talls you haven't mentioned in that list that Neeld might have been trying to squeeze out??

I actually think Prendo was OK at choosing big guys - eg: Howe and McDonald came in same draft as his Cook shocker.

But quite obviously he had no idea when it came to assessing midfield potential and I'm not talking Scully and Trengove because they were the standout juniors that year and everybody would have taken them 1 and 2.

But Gysberts was never a good kick and that stood out as a junior and he was tall and lightish through the core, which went against the trend towards strong-bodied smaller tackling types. The quality he overlooked that year was astounding. Tapscott at 18 was another of his gems.

He did the same with Morton (4) - another tall, no core strength midfielder who was sliding down the order having been originally touted as pick 2 with Cotchin that year.

When you look at what was around there were so many other better options.

I actually think alot of prendo's decisions were based on keeping the big names happy, Blease is Scullys best mate, Tappy is Trenners i always wonder if they were selected perhaps early because of that alone.

  On 18/09/2013 at 04:03, Rhino Richards said:

No it's 0-2 against MFC.

We kicked an own goal when we wasted a first round pick on him.

We kicked another own goal offering Pedersen a 3 year contract.

It's enough to make the Southern Stars blush!!!

True that, but I thought we were offloading a young-gun for some mediocre at best VFL journeyman. As it turns out I was only half right.

Thought he had promise. Was sad to lose him. But now that he had a season at North and didnt crack it for a game, its hard to see why we would bring him back. Unless the rumours were true and the Swans were into him big time (which apparently is why we had to spend an early pick for him). Maybe Rooooosy has a feelin'.

Re the Scott Pendlbury comparisons early on - I could see a physical similarity when comparing their height and their build when they got drafted. The problem is, Pendlebury is now 191cms and 91kgs where Jordan is 190cms and 84kgs. No ability to put on bulk??

  On 18/09/2013 at 03:59, stevethemanjordan said:

"Gysberts is going to be our Scott Pendelbury..."

"Morton will be our Adam Goodes"

Demonland...

Lol

Don't forget the "Jamie Bennell will be our Andrew McLeod"

Believe it or not, but given our shallow midfield I wouldn't completely be against signing him on a 1 year deal as a delisted free agent to see what Roos can do with him.

For me it would be weighing up whether to do that, use pick 80 odd in the draft or use a pick in the PSD where there may not really be anyone available anyway. But I'll back Roos in on this one.

There is a reason recruiters and clubs alike were bemused with the selection of Gysberts at pick 11.

The guy is not good enough full stop, and it's more than just an attitude thing.

  On 18/09/2013 at 03:36, old dee said:

Just another poor selection.

Plain and simple.

Maybe or maybe a mixture of poor development and poor culture. Who knows what he would have been like if he got picked up by Geelong.

Of course its our fault he wasn't developed. Not North's or Jordan's. Its us - the perennial basket case.

Jordan by all reports didn't want to do the work. Not unusual in talented juniors. Most of them have never had to work hard in their lives with regard to footy. They stand out at every grade. Its why the first thing they need to be taught is defence - they have never done it before.

Seriously when are our players going to take responsibility for their own performance? It beggars belief they can sit their collect their paycheck and swan around like they couldn't care less.

I still like the Sheedy idea(at least I think it was Sheedy) - look at the losses and see who are the non-performing players . Then get rid of them.

  On 17/09/2013 at 23:36, D26 said:

Would we look at getting him back as a delisted free agent?

Yes, but only if we had pick 88 available to use on another trade.

Remember talking to the Yarra Valley football coach and he told me that Gysberts was a cut above Blease.

  On 18/09/2013 at 05:48, Tall Defence said:

Believe it or not, but given our shallow midfield I wouldn't completely be against signing him on a 1 year deal as a delisted free agent to see what Roos can do with him.

I believe it alright.

You have a football version of Stockholm syndrome.

I was at the "G" that night when cuddles gave us the heads up about GYS going to be selected at #11.

Saying he will end up being better than the other 2. The looks of WTF on every member. "Priceless"

  On 18/09/2013 at 03:44, ignition. said:

I recall in a player interview that they mentioned Gysberts bragging about his two Rising Star nominees (maybe it was Tom McDonald - in a joking manner), I wonder if it went to his head. Either way getting moved on from his second club should certainly give him a reality check. Its a shame really, he showed so many positive attributes but lacked the work ethic and want to succeed.

If not what you've mentioned above, then surely he should get a big head in the knowledge that Melbourne supporters are still bothering to talk about him 12 months after leaving.

  On 18/09/2013 at 03:44, ignition. said:

I recall in a player interview that they mentioned Gysberts bragging about his two Rising Star nominees (maybe it was Tom McDonald - in a joking manner), I wonder if it went to his head. Either way getting moved on from his second club should certainly give him a reality check. Its a shame really, he showed so many positive attributes but lacked the work ethic and want to succeed.

It might just be the player I heard it from, but apparently the playing group found Gysberts quite the arrogant fella.

  On 18/09/2013 at 04:51, Deespicable said:

I actually think Prendo was OK at choosing big guys - eg: Howe and McDonald came in same draft as his Cook shocker.

But quite obviously he had no idea when it came to assessing midfield potential and I'm not talking Scully and Trengove because they were the standout juniors that year and everybody would have taken them 1 and 2.

But Gysberts was never a good kick and that stood out as a junior and he was tall and lightish through the core, which went against the trend towards strong-bodied smaller tackling types. The quality he overlooked that year was astounding. Tapscott at 18 was another of his gems.

He did the same with Morton (4) - another tall, no core strength midfielder who was sliding down the order having been originally touted as pick 2 with Cotchin that year.

When you look at what was around there were so many other better options.

If he was good with talls why did he pick Cook with a 1st round pick?

Prendergast just did not choose enough midfield talent ....period.

And for the record Craig Cameron was the recruiting head that recruited Morton.

And also FTR, while Morton highly regarded he was never seriously touted as pick 2. If anything the accolades were that Cotchin was better than Kruezer and they were right.