Because we have better standards.

I like this

Not sure if Irony Sarcasm Wit commentary or fact???????

Dank admitting that coaches used supplements that were "a little bit" outside WADA'S code and not the players is bewildering if anything. Is it a red flag? And what is a little bit? It's either inside or outside.

It tells us nothing except the coaches of all things are experimenting or using peptides. Weird. And a little puzzling.

Of course, it's possible that testing which might prove that banned substances were taken by any of the players can't be carried out but there may be evidence that they were present at the EFC (evidence of delivery or information through wire taps or other technology).

It would then be a convenient response to say that these substances were never given to players, only coaches and therefore no players get suspended (if the response is believed).

Just a theory.

Of course, it's possible that testing which might prove that banned substances were taken by any of the players can't be carried out but there may be evidence that they were present at the EFC (evidence of delivery or information through wire taps or other technology).

It would then be a convenient response to say that these substances were never given to players, only coaches and therefore no players get suspended (if the response is believed).

Just a theory.

From what I've read peptides are currently undetectable through any current testing. Your theory regarding coaches using instead of players as a cover up makes sense.

Essenroid?

Lol...You guys are on it! Make this dirty club a new name! Just like West Coke Eagers!

How about Essence-Done!

Leaving Essendon out of the discussion I get the feeling that a week down the track

That there is some political kite flying going on here.

Now it seems that 16 clubs have nothing to worry about, 3 NRL clubs mentioned have now been cleared.

I smell a federal govenment keen to appear on top of something / anything with an election around the corner.

Does anyone else feel this is a witch hunt with very little to back it up.

We are supposed to believe that there is a great big problem out there when my gut feel now suggest there is a problem

But it did not need this level of activity.

Reputations are going to be trashed and for those individuals there will be no way back.

But perhaps I am just a cynic

Leaving Essendon out of the discussion I get the feeling that a week down the track

That there is some political kite flying going on here.

Now it seems that 16 clubs have nothing to worry about, 3 NRL clubs mentioned have now been cleared.

I smell a federal govenment keen to appear on top of something / anything with an election around the corner.

Does anyone else feel this is a witch hunt with very little to back it up.

We are supposed to believe that there is a great big problem out there when my gut feel now suggest there is a problem

But it did not need this level of activity.

Reputations are going to be trashed and for those individuals there will be no way back.

But perhaps I am just a cynic

Brand new Minister keen to make a name for himself - Jason Clare. Decent bt of grandstanding for all the evidence information they have got

Leaving Essendon out of the discussion I get the feeling that a week down the track

That there is some political kite flying going on here.

Now it seems that 16 clubs have nothing to worry about, 3 NRL clubs mentioned have now been cleared.

I smell a federal govenment keen to appear on top of something / anything with an election around the corner.

Does anyone else feel this is a witch hunt with very little to back it up.

We are supposed to believe that there is a great big problem out there when my gut feel now suggest there is a problem

But it did not need this level of activity.

Reputations are going to be trashed and for those individuals there will be no way back.

But perhaps I am just a cynic

After their briefing yesterday I see that the State Premiers are saying that the problem is worse than they imagined. Since most of them are Liberals, I think that blows a hole in the theory that this is a Federal govt stunt.

not everyones cup of tea...but

interesting to read and take on board ..

The One rigged game was the press conference

After their briefing yesterday I see that the State Premiers are saying that the problem is worse than they imagined. Since most of them are Liberals, I think that blows a hole in the theory that this is a Federal govt stunt.

After their briefing yesterday I see that the State Premiers are saying that the problem is worse than they imagined. Since most of them are Liberals, I think that blows a hole in the theory that this is a Federal govt stunt.

I will believe it when I see charges until then it is 50% grandstanding in my view

not everyones cup of tea...but

interesting to read and take on board ..

The One rigged game was the press conference

That is my exact feeling bb

I will believe it when I see charges until then it is 50% grandstanding in my view

No doubt, OD.

But whenever something like this was to come out - an entire club possible use of peptides, another player known to be in trouble, 3 to 6 NRL clubs with clouds over them, and with the links to criminals, bikie gangs, and a possible 9 AFL clubs with illicit drug use - the [censored] was going to hit the fan and the community at large was always going to overreact...

(I mean this was the worst week in Australian sport since...jeez, I really can't tell you...)

The government overreacted first. It takes away criticism about not taking it seriously enough.

And it takes newspaper space for a short while...

Eddie Obeid off the front page of the paper. Good thought....

Wouldn't put it past these muppets in Govt

Being the natural cynic I am I wouldn't put it past any Government to manipulate a released report to suit their own agenda. Having said that if anybody thinks we don't have a problem in this country and sporting bodies in inparticular with PIED's and recreational drugs, then they are blowing smoke up their own clacker. It's a genuine issue that is escalating at an alarming rate.

Being the natural cynic I am I wouldn't put it past any Government to manipulate a released report to suit their own agenda. Having said that if anybody thinks we don't have a problem in this country and sporting bodies in inparticular with PIED's and recreational drugs, then they are blowing smoke up their own clagger. It's a genuine issue that is escalating at an alarming rate.

Clacker.

Agree on the issue.

You beat me to it. I was just about to edit it.

Can't have this thread fall off the front page. It has given me so much pleasure over the past two weeks.

Makes me smile every time I log on so I thought I would bump it up....

new claims against Lions

new claims against Lions

This started to p--- me of a week ago dc.

Now it seems AFL teams will be up for every bit of slander and mischievous piece from anyone seeking fame or revenge from any slight real or imagined.

And still there are no charges or any hard evidence.

This may go down as the biggest political witch hunt we have seen so far this century.

We should all read Andrew Bolt's peice in todays HUN.

that's why i didn't comment od

that's why i didn't comment od

Wise

But I cannot help myself

Some things get right up my nose

Wise

But I cannot help myself

Some things get right up my nose

Was that intended? ;-)

The 4th estate have gone from the pillars of democracy to the pariahs of the derogatory .

Was that intended? ;-)

Not when I am angry hardtack.

Should have followed that old piece of wisdom

"never act when you are angry"

I understand the frustration of people are having with this issue, but I believe this comes about because they don't understand the processes involved. ACC investigate and report and then AFP and other law enforcement agencies act upon the ACC investigation. I don't read Andrew Bolt so I can't comment on what he wrote other than to say i'm sure that it is as politically opportunistic as the original press conference. If you want balance without an agenda I suggest that people look at "Offsiders" on ch2 and listen to what Gerard Whateley and Roy Masters have to say on the issue. What I will say is that these investigations by matter of necessity take time. These days the law is heavily stacked in favour of the defendant and the prosecution has to work twice as hard to obtain a successful result, all of which takes a considerable amount of time.

Not when I am angry hardtack.

Should have followed that old piece of wisdom

"never act when you are angry"

Gee, if that was the case, I'd never get anything done...I'm always angry about something, be it CW and tanking, drugs in sport, talking phone menus or commuters that sit on the aisle making you climb over them to get a seat (among many other things).