For mine the best aspect of the Lees incident by way of comparison is as far as penalty.

Wade got spanked for a fairly straight forward single misdemeanor

Essendons was a whole program of transgression...surely that takes it to the next level

on the basis lees went for intent as he did not consume , the EFC players should go as they signed waiver forms (assuming what we have read is true)

on the basis lees went for intent as he did not consume , the EFC players should go as they signed waiver forms (assuming what we have read is true)

it does beggar much cynicism in all this as you rightly return to those waivers.

"here ...sigh here"

what...why?

"its a waiver"

what am I waiving, whats it about

"oh just some vitamins or things...we're not sure"

oh...ok....

i mean...wtf

it was all iffy from the get go...unbelievable ( almost )

To be clear, the point I was making about Lees was that despite the naivety of what he did, he didn't have the benefit of the same information as the Essendon players and, as a consequence, one can't have any sympathy for them.

Lees failed a basic life skill 101 when he decided to acquire the substances from overseas from the internet. Whether it was legal or not it was dumb. He managed to do what so many other VFL footballers have the basic wits not to do.

And the so called information that the AFL footballers get is no ring of confidence of protection for all situations. And it's even more dubious when those charged with passing that information to the players were the very ones that created the allegedly "safe" environment for the players and provided dishonest assurances of safety to have their welfare a compromised. It's hardly a benefit to the players. While you have you basis for sympathy, I am sure the general football world ( ex Tracy Holmes) understand the gross failure of the duty of care of EFC officials in this saga.

At the end of the day, when and if penalties are handed down, EFC have failed those 40 young men

At the end of the day, when and if penalties are handed down, EFC have failed those 40 young men

Not according to some moronic Bomber supporters I know.

Not according to some moronic Bomber supporters I know.

the hird mentality

Lees failed a basic life skill 101 when he decided to acquire the substances from overseas from the internet. Whether it was legal or not it was dumb. He managed to do what so many other VFL footballers have the basic wits not to do.

And the so called information that the AFL footballers get is no ring of confidence of protection for all situations. And it's even more dubious when those charged with passing that information to the players were the very ones that created the allegedly "safe" environment for the players and provided dishonest assurances of safety to have their welfare a compromised. It's hardly a benefit to the players. While you have you basis for sympathy, I am sure the general football world ( ex Tracy Holmes) understand the gross failure of the duty of care of EFC officials in this saga.

At the end of the day, when and if penalties are handed down, EFC have failed those 40 young men

So you think Lees was a dill to do what he did but you have sympathy for the Essendon players who signed waivers and subjected themselves to a programme of drugs which a simple google search would have disclosed contained human growth hormones and other dodgy stuff? The mind fairly boggles.

So you think Lees was a dill to do what he did but you have sympathy for the Essendon players who signed waivers and subjected themselves to a programme of drugs which a simple google search would have disclosed contained human growth hormones and other dodgy stuff? The mind fairly boggles.

I don't have much sympathy for the lack of action by Essendon payers either, but perhaps there was a part of their minds unconsciously assuming it was unthinkable that a professional AFL club could do anything so dodgy.

When they come to realise how wrong they were, the excrement will hit the fan. Possibly even if they escape immediate penalties.

I suspect this thread will have 200 pages long before we get an answer.

I suspect this thread will have 200 pages long before we get an answer.

more like 2000 od......it's already 145

Not according to some moronic Bomber supporters I know.

Sadly I know some as well.

So you think Lees was a dill to do what he did but you have sympathy for the Essendon players who signed waivers and subjected themselves to a programme of drugs which a simple google search would have disclosed contained human growth hormones and other dodgy stuff? The mind fairly boggles.

Well done on misrepresenting my point of view.....

Well done on misrepresenting my point of view.....

Thanks & in view of the fact that you've been posting ad nauseum misrepresenting everyone else's point of view, I thought it would be an excellent return of favour.

I don't have much sympathy for the lack of action by Essendon payers either, but perhaps there was a part of their minds unconsciously assuming it was unthinkable that a professional AFL club could do anything so dodgy.

When they come to realise how wrong they were, the excrement will hit the fan. Possibly even if they escape immediate penalties.

I think they have realised their mistake about 12 months ago. And they appear to have co operated with the authorities and have had the sword of Damocles hanging over them for some time. In one respect, if ASADA does issue notices at least some of the players may actually find out what they had been given. Others may have to wait the term of their natural lives to ensure there are no adverse health implications.

I think they like others have been caught up in the unparallel nature of the saga and the process. However both before and after the saga broke, they have been terribly advised/counseled by the Club.

They will rightly be exposed to outcome of the due processes of ASADA. The bottom line is that if they took a banned substance they should go. And if they do there are others in charge who have escaped ASADA wrath that should be shamed out of sport.

hahaha

the talking bell ends on footy classified pretty much just blamed ASADA and the AFL for the poor mental health of the Essendon players.

wow.

On Footy Classified, Matthew Lloyd made an empassioned plea on behalf of the mental stress of those under the supplements saga. His comments from being close to the EFC were certainly important news. (They certainly made Hutchy look even more ridiculous in regard his callous comments in regard disclosure of the 14 players). However, Lloyd remarkably went onto blame the AFL and ASADA for the delays in closure on this matter. Blind Freddy would know that for the past 8 months the investigation is solely in the hands of ASADA. Caro Wilson corrected Lloyd who did not seem to understand the issue. However the take away from Lloyds comments is that this investigation represents a massive distraction on the players.

On Footy Classified, Matthew Lloyd made an empassioned plea on behalf of the mental stress of those under the supplements saga. His comments from being close to the EFC were certainly important news. (They certainly made Hutchy look even more ridiculous in regard his callous comments in regard disclosure of the 14 players). However, Lloyd remarkably went onto blame the AFL and ASADA for the delays in closure on this matter. Blind Freddy would know that for the past 8 months the investigation is solely in the hands of ASADA. Caro Wilson corrected Lloyd who did not seem to understand the issue. However the take away from Lloyds comments is that this investigation represents a massive distraction on the players.

That seems to be the message Essendon wants to get out there i.e they're looking for public sympathy insofar as it's been a long time coming to fruition and therefore it's unfair of the club and the players. But it was the club that instituted this supplements programme and conducted it in such a reckless way that it allowed its records to "disappear" and is therefore responsible for the length and duration of the ongoing investigation. Blame them.

Did anyone see 360 last night? Bomber Thompson doesn't sit next to Robbo anymore. The bombers asked if Thompson could be moved away from Robbo. This is getting silly now.

Did anyone see 360 last night? Bomber Thompson doesn't sit next to Robbo anymore. The bombers asked if Thompson could be moved away from Robbo. This is getting silly now.

Why do they look like they are singing from the same Hymn book?

On Footy Classified, Matthew Lloyd made an empassioned plea on behalf of the mental stress of those under the supplements saga. His comments from being close to the EFC were certainly important news. (They certainly made Hutchy look even more ridiculous in regard his callous comments in regard disclosure of the 14 players). However, Lloyd remarkably went onto blame the AFL and ASADA for the delays in closure on this matter. Blind Freddy would know that for the past 8 months the investigation is solely in the hands of ASADA. Caro Wilson corrected Lloyd who did not seem to understand the issue. However the take away from Lloyds comments is that this investigation represents a massive distraction on the players.

Not very smart is Matthew.

Did anyone see 360 last night? Bomber Thompson doesn't sit next to Robbo anymore. The bombers asked if Thompson could be moved away from Robbo. This is getting silly now.

Starting to get a bit like the wrestling now if they expect you to believe this BS

Robbo is their biggest cheerleader.

just between you me and the walls, id have thought that Essendon should be looking after the players mental health and not ASADA or the AFL or the AFLPA or anyone else

just between you me and the walls, id have thought that Essendon should be looking after the players mental health and not ASADA or the AFL or the AFLPA or anyone else

I agree I could be mistaken but it was the EFC that got the players into this mess.

As AD said he did not inject anyone.

I agree I could be mistaken but it was the EFC that got the players into this mess.

As AD said he did not inject anyone.

just going through the timeline of events,and many people have said JH is the one releasing a lot of imformation.

i found that a bit "conspiracy" type of hyperbole.

but im now having second thoughts about this.

every time the afl and bombers seem to come to grips with the issue,something blows up in their face.

finally little and the afl come to grips over the problems and hirds team want a deal for the interim.

asada start getting towards the end of the investigation,and another "leak" turns up.

vlad was quite adamant that the afl "didnt" leak the players names .

essendon have no reason to release players names.

asada being a govermnet org,wouldnt dare release the names.

it just seems all arrows point to one person hanging on to glorified pasts.

this will soon be over and vlad will make sure[i didnt inject anybody] JK gets whacked to high heaven.

any body who wants to dig up all the events in chronological order,you can now see where the afl has run its case in accordance with whats come out of bomberland[who have distanced themselves from james] and have acted accordingly.

vlads comments about robbo,hit the mark for what is happeneing and how robbo gets his info and who from.

more like 2000 od......it's already 145

And whenever we do get an answer, that will be good for another 1000 pages ... :-)

And whenever we do get an answer, that will be good for another 1000 pages ... :-)

Only if the answer is no case to answer R and B

just between you me and the walls, id have thought that Essendon should be looking after the players mental health and not ASADA or the AFL or the AFLPA or anyone else

Dont think the mental health was a issue for the EFC when they were using the players like pin cushions