bummers don't get a first round pick in 2014

but they get the next pick after the first round

this would be pick 18

errrr...isn't pick 18 a first round pick?

Now now, DC, don't go bringing common sense into this --- that will bugger things up totally!

Now now, DC, don't go bringing common sense into this --- that will bugger things up totally!

What if other teams activate PP or other picks, does it push them further back?

I think the one thing that gets my goat about this whole thing is how could you not have records of what was given? I mean players vitals are monitored in just about every way imaginable these days, their BFI, diet, training loads are all monitored- yet we are to believe that no one kept records of what was being injected into the players on a regular basis? I don't buy it.

They either had the records and destroyed them, or they didn't record the substances at all, and quite frankly it's bloody hard to decide which one of those events is more frightening.

I'm not just saying this because of my unbridled hatred of this piece of crap team, but if I was a junior player at essendrug I would want out, and I would want out yesterday. I would feel betrayed and angry that the introduction to my AFL career has been hijaked by the biggest scandal in Aussie rules history, and I would always have to worry about possible ramifications from whateverr cocktail has actually been injected into me- on a regular basis.

They will burn for this, one way or the other. These first penalties are only the entree, ccan't wait until the full report is finalised and we have the meat and bones to feast on. yum yum

Is the whole ASADA thing over, or are those penalties still pending?

Is the whole ASADA thing over, or are those penalties still pending?

IMO its likely more charges will follow

If the relevant authourities go looking for evidence, ask the relevant people the right questions, I expect that the truth will come out. If there is nothing bad, then we can get on with the game. If there is something bad, premierships should be taken from the relevant clubs.

To start an investigation, you need some clear and not circumstantial evidence (or hearsay) to start with.

You are dreaming if you think any of the "authorities" are going to undertake a fishing trip.

I'm wondering when the authorities are going to finally get stuck into Stephen Dank.

It beggars belief that we constantly read stories like this one Texts reveal Stephen Dank discussed injecting Bombers with experimental racehorse drug and the man has yet to be questioned by ASADA despite the fact that it's had the power to do so for a month already.

Some of the text messages sound like they came straight out of Monty Python but am I missing something?

I'm trying to think about what they could be waiting for and the only thing I can come up with is that there might be some consultation between ASADA and the ACC (which has interviewed him) on how to approach the interview and the sharing of information and there might be some jurisdictional issues involved.

Pretty poor form from the barrister representing someone who's supposed to be remorseful about his role in this saga.

True but we also need to know what Hird's Mum thinks about this matter!

They interviewed his Barrister, really! What for and who cares. Another example of the gutter style reporting that happens in Australia.

The thing with all of the involved parties at Essendon stepping aside in Feb, is that they'd have had no one to run the club in any capacity.

President, CEO, Football Manager, coaches, doctor... It would have been a bigger mess than what actually happened.

The thing with all of the involved parties at Essendon stepping aside in Feb, is that they'd have had no one to run the club in any capacity.

President, CEO, Football Manager, coaches, doctor... It would have been a bigger mess than what actually happened.

probably have turned into us !!

Essendon have to hope rivals don't bid for potential father-son stars in 2013 and 2014

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-have-to-hope-rivals-dont-bid-for-potential-father-son-stars-in-2013-and-2014/story-fnb7bats-1226706093372

some interesting names there , any of them worth more than a third round pick ?

will essendon ask them to hold off going into the draft ?

Essendon have to hope rivals don't bid for potential father-son stars in 2013 and 2014

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-have-to-hope-rivals-dont-bid-for-potential-father-son-stars-in-2013-and-2014/story-fnb7bats-1226706093372

some interesting names there , any of them worth more than a third round pick ?

will essendon ask them to hold off going into the draft ?

what a bleedin" shame!!

Essendon have to hope rivals don't bid for potential father-son stars in 2013 and 2014

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-have-to-hope-rivals-dont-bid-for-potential-father-son-stars-in-2013-and-2014/story-fnb7bats-1226706093372

some interesting names there , any of them worth more than a third round pick ?

will essendon ask them to hold off going into the draft ?

That is actually quite sad.. especially for the actual draftees.

They would want to say yes to coming to us first..

This article from the satirical site The Onion best explains how sociopaths around the world work - So, Whats It Going To Be?.

I was thinking of Jimmy as I read it.*

[* Not suggesting he's a mass murderer or anything like that either although you'd think human rights lawyers would be more interested in Assad's victims, past, present and future]

... and some more grist for the human rights lawyer's mill - North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un's former girlfriend shot by firing squad over porn scandal

To start an investigation, you need some clear and not circumstantial evidence (or hearsay) to start with.

You are dreaming if you think any of the "authorities" are going to undertake a fishing trip.

Such as a former player saying on TV, that his former club were into list management and he didn't like it.

But not like another former player and his assistant coach, both saying their club tanked and using the word "tanked" on TV and in the press and in a book.

Yes I can see how an impartial organization starts its investigations.

PS. I believe the AFL investigators had fishing lines, reels and rods and tackle bags, in the corner of the room they used as an investigation room.

Pretty poor form from the barrister representing someone who's supposed to be remorseful about his role in this saga.

Sometimes, even if you happen to be a $15k per day mouthpiece, it's better to say nothing at all.

Seems like the AFL's Counsel agrees with you.

He says most of Burnside's comment are just plain wrong and Hird signed an agreement which proves it and is now on the public record.

Hird continues to be defiant and plays the poor me card. I really hope the EFC is in the doldrums for years to come, every time there is a hint of contrition they bury it in arrogance.

Their ethos at Essendon makes me sick as a follower of football. As for Hird .....well he has shown himself to be an A grade egotist. There will be a big black cloud over this club for years to come and onfield success will always be questioned, because they are a bunch of liars.

You need to understand that no one at Essendon did anything wrong at all.

It is all the fault of the rest of the world, but absolutely, definitely, not them.

This article from the satirical site The Onion best explains how sociopaths around the world work - So, What’s It Going To Be?.

I was thinking of Jimmy as I read it.*

[* Not suggesting he's a mass murderer or anything like that either although you'd think human rights lawyers would be more interested in Assad's victims, past, present and future]

answer is to take "HIM" out, not his toys , methods etc...but him.

Now Im not advocating any such thing wrt Messendon, like your good self its just an interesting read

You need to understand that no one at Essendon did anything wrong at all.

It is all the fault of the rest of the world, but absolutely, definitely, not them.

Thats right Red, they are the victims !!

I think that the behaviour of Essendon and some of its officials in the supplements scheme, was disgusting and since February this year, despicable.

I think that the behaviour of Essendon and some of its officials in the supplements scheme, was disgusting and since February this year, despicable.

Such as a former player saying on TV, that his former club were into list management and he didn't like it.

But not like another former player and his assistant coach, both saying their club tanked and using the word "tanked" on TV and in the press and in a book.

Yes I can see how an impartial organization starts its investigations.

PS. I believe the AFL investigators had fishing lines, reels and rods and tackle bags, in the corner of the room they used as an investigation room.

The ex player is a bitter social misfit. The ex assistant coach is a vexatious axe grinder. Hardly emblems of any integrity either of them

Is that all you got?

I can see how an impartial competent organisation would say "you're going to have to do better than that."

The ex player is a bitter social misfit. The ex assistant coach is a vexatious axe grinder. Hardly emblems of any integrity either of them

Is that all you got?

I can see how an impartial competent organisation would say "you're going to have to do better than that."

You mean getting arrested for drunkenness twice on an overseas trip, consorting with gangstas and doing wheelies tearing up the carpark of your training venue is not the work of a social misfit, not to mention an axe grinder of the highest order?

You mean getting arrested for drunkenness twice on an overseas trip, consorting with gangstas and doing wheelies tearing up the carpark of your training venue is not the work of a social misfit, not to mention an axe grinder of the highest order?

are you talking about brock or fev?

I'm wondering when the authorities are going to finally get stuck into Stephen Dank.

It beggars belief that we constantly read stories like this one Texts reveal Stephen Dank discussed injecting Bombers with experimental racehorse drug and the man has yet to be questioned by ASADA despite the fact that it's had the power to do so for a month already.

Some of the text messages sound like they came straight out of Monty Python but am I missing something?

I'm trying to think about what they could be waiting for and the only thing I can come up with is that there might be some consultation between ASADA and the ACC (which has interviewed him) on how to approach the interview and the sharing of information and there might be some jurisdictional issues involved.

They will when they're in a position to include the NRL investigation, until that time nothing will happen with Dank. That's the hold up.