How come these two journalists are constantly uncovering more than ASADA and the AFL?

Could be a bit of [censored] for tat after the Hird camp embarrassed Demitriou.

How come these two journalists are constantly uncovering more than ASADA and the AFL?

And where do you think the leaks are coming from?

This article is about rebalancing the public debate.

These guys should never be allowed near a football club again. Hird, Corcoran, Dank and Robinson. I think Robson got off lightly by bailing out early, but he should be looked at closely by Victory.

The other shady dope dealers are a given.

Thompson and Reid I'm not as sure on but if infraction notices come then they might as well pack their bags with them.

Cant help but agree.

The first mentioned four ought receive lifetime bans.

In reality if Thompson and Reid felt that strongly they could have blown the whistle.. Can understand the position that they be unlikely to but it was a choice of doing something, or nothing and nothing makes you just as guilty really.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

It would appear that the AFL have handled this poorly and cannot defend themselves if challenged, eg, Reid being let off so as not to have the AFL man cross examined.... Hird being paid his salary. Is the AFL waiting for ASADA to come down like a ton of bricks because they themselves cannot?

Could be a bit of [censored] for tat after the Hird camp embarrassed Demitriou.

Our censors are getting far far too precious and PC.

"t1t for tat" is used universally without offence

I used a word that describes a person that tosses something, and that was censored too.

In reality if Thompson and Reid felt that strongly they could have blown the whistle.. Can understand the position that they be unlikely to but it was a choice of doing something, or nothing and nothing makes you just as guilty really.

Absolutely right. Reid's email objection appears in reality only to be an exercise in putting something on the record for the purpose of covering his back.

He did nothing with it, did not pursue it further and sat on his hands from that point.

It would appear that the AFL have handled this poorly and cannot defend themselves if challenged, eg, Reid being let off so as not to have the AFL man cross examined.... Hird being paid his salary. Is the AFL waiting for ASADA to come down like a ton of bricks because they themselves cannot?

more than likely...exactly this.

The AFL is corrupt and led my morally vacuous inepts.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-16/doctor-warns-of-deadly-supplements/5159842?section=sport

lets not forget just how serious this whole thing is

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-16/doctor-warns-of-deadly-supplements/5159842?section=sport

lets not forget just how serious this whole thing is

Who remembers Marion Jones? Not to mention more than several departed leading body builders and "Macho Man" Randy Savage. Those who muck around with unnatural substances are rolling the dice on life.

Edited December 16, 201311 yr by america de cali

Doc Larkins -

"Some of them aren't even licensed for use in therapeutic areas because they're just theoretical products that have an effect on tissue building ... and if you're talking about products that potentially accelerate cell growth, well that's what cancers are.

"Cancers are cells that get out of control and, therefore, the ultimate side effect is death."

wow.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-16/doctor-warns-of-deadly-supplements/5159842?section=sport

lets not forget just how serious this whole thing is

This is the real story.

Enjoy your cool $ mill James.....

It must have been comforting for the Essendon faithful who attended the club's AGM last night that their players never took any illegal or performance-enhancing drugs -Essendon chairman Paul Little tells members players did not ingest anything illegal.

The meeting was highlighted by the fact that there was hardly a dissenting voice among the crowd which included the man already appointed to coach the club in 2015, Jimmy Hird who once took responsibility for that which now never happened. No mention of $60,000.00 chemist bills for substances which Little apparently now says were never taken by the players or 4,000 injections, many of them administered off-premises and which must have contained placebos. Or the fact that the records of what was taken have mysteriously disappeared which makes one wonder how Little is so certain of his "facts".

Lol, he must have some great inside info to spout that at a AGM.

It must have been comforting for the Essendon faithful who attended the club's AGM last night that their players never took any illegal or performance-enhancing drugs -Essendon chairman Paul Little tells members players did not ingest anything illegal.

So if you are so sure of this Mr. Little, what is it that was actually consumed?

You have no idea of that either...do you?

The mind control over Essendrug members is really quite disturbing.

It must have been comforting for the Essendon faithful who attended the club's AGM last night that their players never took any illegal or performance-enhancing drugs -Essendon chairman Paul Little tells members players did not ingest anything illegal.

The meeting was highlighted by the fact that there was hardly a dissenting voice among the crowd which included the man already appointed to coach the club in 2015, Jimmy Hird who once took responsibility for that which now never happened. No mention of $60,000.00 chemist bills for substances which Little apparently now says were never taken by the players or 4,000 injections, many of them administered off-premises and which must have contained placebos. Or the fact that the records of what was taken have mysteriously disappeared which makes one wonder how Little is so certain of his "facts".

Honestly, just makes you want to reach for a bucket, its just sickening.

At the same time those supporters and the club itself will deserve very bit of whats coming to them.

As dumb as they were no one gives a shlt about the players. It's deplorable.

the worst thing is that the Essendon members wont revolt against the club when ASADA smack them down a few pegs by giving them infraction notices - they will just say that ASADA are useless etc etc

This is the real story.

Enjoy your cool $ mill James.....

I find it amazing how the big winner in all this is James Hird!

Essendon:

• lost 2013 Premiership points (taking them out of the final eight);
• lost first & second round draft picks in 2013 & 2014;
• paid a $2Million fine to the AFL;
• paid out another $1M upfront to James Hird; and
• incurred $180K in legal costs.

James Hird (on the other hand):

• receives $1M upfront for taking a holiday in 2014;
• has received a coaching contract extension from 2015 at the same rate; and
• has been rewarded handsomely for being the key player in the supplement scandal.

Because of all the controversy also the Demons were denied a Priority Pick in 2013 despite only winning two matches because Paul Little and the other Club Presidents like Eddie McGuire objected. What a mess the AFL has dug for itself under its overpaid CEO!

They arent a club, theyre a cult. No individual will present it seems.

They arent a club, theyre a cult. No individual will present it seems.

mathew knights must be wondering why he was treated so badly

oh that's right he was an outsider

They arent a club, theyre a cult. No individual will present it seems.

You may be right BB

But I get the feeling 2014 will not be very good for this cult or the cult leaders.

Edited December 16, 201311 yr by DemonFrog

Disgraceful that a highly paid CEO would invoke the ostrich defence. Clearly no one at that club has taken responsibility for what went on in 2012. The belief is obviously that nothing wrong was done and that the club, James Hird and Corcoran are being made scapegoats. This is despite there own review finding the contrary.

It is hard to see how Essendon can take the stance they have taken and treat the Weapon like they have or are they saying that things were done wrong at the club but Robinson was the only one who deserved a punisment. I hope the Weapon wins and stiches them up.

Corcoran and Hird have been punished by taking paid holidays. How is that equitable when other good people have copped for more for less?

The Bummers are morally bankrupt and deserve our undying contempt. The have lied cheated and fought dirty through this entire fiasco to the detriment of the AFL and the code. Their actions in honouring club - coach/administrator contracts above AFL sanctions have challenged the authority of the AFL and have set a very dangerous precident. The competition needs the AFL to regulate and to do that the AFL needs authority and Essendons actions undermine that. Without the AFL the competiton cannot exist in its current format, clubs battling each other for self interest without a common purpose will put Melbourne and the Doggies etc at risk and we will end up with an EPL style comp.

need the back ^^^^..

Agree Bedraggled.

I wonder if robinson (aka the weapon) will use little's own words in his court case against essendon

essendon no doubt will just argue it was just all about the soft tissue injuries

i thought essendon officially and fully accepted the switkowski report

^^ Brilliant