after all this if they settle for choco or eade you can forget it...

that just means we've learnt nothing, & gone nowhere!

Its the Take it On attitude we need, the entrepreneurial attitude that takes the risks then, makes them work, after that... the type that gets you a Olympic Pool to make a home out of.

let's not stand still any longer... fear has no place in a Demon Jumper.

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So if we don't get Roos we are stuffed then?

But then we'd lose a priority pick......

If we don't win five games do you think they will fine us for " not tanking" again?

And a lot of good priority picks have done us in the past. Ever heard of development of what you've got?

And a lot of good priority picks have done us in the past. Ever heard of development of what you've got?

a bird in the hand.........

Neeld was brought in to harden up the team. Wasn't able to take the players with him though.

We have no senior leaders hence the recruiting strategy and the two Jacks as Captains. That bit is not MNs fault. Its the total lack of competitiveness that has been appalling.

The lack of leadership has been profound in the last decade save for Neita and Junior. Bruce, Green, White, Yze were not leaders who could be relied on or drive a teams performance when we were getting beaten.

I blame Gutnick that we have no senior 27-31yo's with 200 games. The draft picks we lost through his squealing are still hurting us.

Pick 5 in 1999 and Picks 32 and 47 in 2000.

But we picked up Green, Whelan, Wheatley, Bruce, Godfrey, Simmonds, Jolly, and Thompson in those drafts.

It hurt a little, but what happened from 2001 to 2007 is hurting us. Only Jamar (2001), Davey, Sylvia (2003), Dunn (2004), Jones (2005), Frawley, Garland (2006), Grimes, and Spencer (2007) remain.

That's 9 players from the seven drafts that give you your 23-30 year olds.

I just want ... milk that tastes like real milk.

Permeate free !!

Pick 5 in 1999 and Picks 32 and 47 in 2000.

But we picked up Green, Whelan, Wheatley, Bruce, Godfrey, Simmonds, Jolly, and Thompson in those drafts.

It hurt a little, but what happened from 2001 to 2007 is hurting us. Only Jamar (2001), Davey, Sylvia (2003), Dunn (2004), Jones (2005), Frawley, Garland (2006), Grimes, and Spencer (2007) remain.

That's 9 players from the seven drafts that give you your 23-30 year olds.

There's only one priority pick in that lot - Sylvia in 2003 but you're absolutely right. Our recruiting and player development during that period left us in a terrible state to start rebuilding after the demise of Neale Daniher and that's where, as you say, it's hurt us.

Our recruiters of yore certainly marched to their own beat !!!

What style of footy will we play if we get roos? the SWANS style!!! I mentioned b4 what we should do SWANS style, Keep older more experience players in leadership group,easier to rid if

they don't perform, remember they will have to lead by example. i.e play like crap in the seniors drop to reserves. A pity some people can't see the timber thru the forest.

The swans style was built around a group of players and a shape of stadium

it would be the same idea....different group of players and a different stadiium

But then we'd lose a priority pick......

I know you are jesting jnr but that is the root of most of our problems.

CS, CC and others were trying to be very clever and use the system instead of doing the hard work.

I have believed it all my life and still do You win every game possible and then work out who to draft.

All ancient history now.

So lets try to get the MFC out of this hole.

10ooo memberships would bankroll ROOSey

an interesting equation I think

yes, and that's bankrolling the entire thing.. in reality its about the amount MORE that he will cost vs other options.. let's ay he costs 600K more than Eade or Williams, that's only 4000 members. It also doesn't take into account the additional earnings from gate receipts and potentially marketing/sponsorship as a result of performing better on field. From a financial POV Roos is a no-brainer, I can't believe anyone would say otherwise

But then we'd lose a priority pick......

I hope that is a joke

I sincerely hope we are nowhere near even being in contention for a PP. All it is is another chance for everyone to have a go at us over tanking and for our loser mentality to further solidify into the club

FOR THE 800,000TH TIME:

Stop talking about us having made recruiting mistakes

We picked pretty much everyone we were expected to at the picks they were taken, certainly with regard to top5 picks anyway

Whwn you are talking picks from the teens onward it becomes much more speculative and you will find all clubs have not got returns from heaps of these picks

DEVELOPING them is where we have failed, that's why we lag behind behind Sydney, Hawthorn, Geelong, Collingwood etc they have the money, culture whatever it is to actually take these picks and turn them into star players

It's the same reason the Dogs, Saints and Roos haven't quite been good enough, the playing field is not even

So if we don't get Roos we are stuffed then?

no, Matthews,,, Bomba,,, Clarkson,,, Sheedy + Ling,,, would be my preferences, in the interests of poor culture. Matthews, Bomba & Sheedy have all totally changed the club Cultures, at the clubs they've been at, with fantastic success...

Clarko hasn't changed the culture so much, as reinvigorated it. its less obvious in his case as the Hawks always had their Fierce DNA since the 80's.

other coaches have just coached really well, like worsfold, malthouse, & others.

IMO, we need a Culture changer.... 45 yrs says so.

every Club dynasty, has its Ex's who go on to become a top young coach, as both young Scott Twins look like, atmo. the Cats will be no exception imo, the trick will be to Identify who.

IMO Roos , Jackson and the AFL are already talking

Roos would require change and Jackson with the help of the AFL can make that happen

It is not at all unreasonable to suggest that schwab may have been an AFL direction along with Neeld

The AFL would want Connolly paid out and gone as well

I think its all in the timing and we should know a few weeks after Neil Craig's 11 week coaching stint

Jackson knows Roos would be a membership boom for the MFC

While i don't believe in Messiahs i do believe many will look at it that way

Jackson also knows Roos is an excellent coach for the current needs of the club and beyond

Roos would want his own team

Jackson knows that being onside with the AFL who would also agree with the appointment of Paul Roos would have a greater chance of gaining the money

it needs to rebuild the club to the satisfaction of both the AFL and Roos

Our List would look at the appointment of Paul Roos as an attractive reason to remain at the club

Jackson already knows what a successful club looks and feels like and his recommendations would reflect that knowledge and experience in getting the best outcome for the MFC

Ironically so does the AFL and Paul Roos

IMO its a win all round

Pick 5 in 1999 and Picks 32 and 47 in 2000.

But we picked up Green, Whelan, Wheatley, Bruce, Godfrey, Simmonds, Jolly, and Thompson in those drafts.

It hurt a little, but what happened from 2001 to 2007 is hurting us. Only Jamar (2001), Davey, Sylvia (2003), Dunn (2004), Jones (2005), Frawley, Garland (2006), Grimes, and Spencer (2007) remain.

That's 9 players from the seven drafts that give you your 23-30 year olds.

On the money here...have stated before our drafting & development in 2000s was terrible....& even worse over the last 5 yrs!. Throw Brock Mclean,Moloney & Rivers all should have been leaders but our culture was very poor!

This isn't specifically referring to Roos but say we were able to come to a conclusion about the senior coach before the end of the season (whether it's Roos, Chocco, Eade or whoever). Could this give whoever it is (assuming they walked out on their club if they are involved elsewhere) more of an advantage than other new coaches (eg able to see behind closed doors at training / match days etc

I know it is highly unlikely to play out this way as Collingwood and Richmond won't let the likes of Eade and Chocco leave their clubs mid season or just before the finals and it puts Craig in a very strange position... but I can't think of a time when a coach has been sacked so early into a season - especially given that Melbourne is almost guaranteed not to have the interview process like we have had for Bailey and Neeld - we are going after a known quantity with runs on the board.

How do we use this to our advantage so that the new coach coming in does not have to coach us for a year to know exactly who to trade, delist and draft. You could say it's obvious from watching our games but different players respond differently to different coaches and so some players in line for trade / delisting may be important players under our new coach.

The Ox just said they're talking 1.5M for Roos which could financially cripple us even more and I reckon Choco would do it for 6-700k.

I've got 100% faith in Action Jackson but he'd want to have a 1M Dollar sponsor over the line.

What Django said. The AFL will take care of that. I'm extremely glad for it, but we're clearly being run by the AFL at the moment.

.......... I know it is highly unlikely to play out this way as Collingwood and Richmond won't let the likes of Eade and Chocco leave their clubs ..........

I think they would want them out asap. Wasn't Neeld sent off before the end of the Pies season?

If Roos takes the job, he has been out of footy for a couple of years, so it is going to take him at least a season to get back up and running and get his backroom staff the way he wants it, he then has to work on the team, players are under contract, it is going to take at least two years to get the team together, we are talking about a team here that at the moment is taking beltings by 10 or more goals each week.............Roos will not come in and suddenly next season we have 40000 members and making finals.......posters need to realise that...........unrealistic expectations......happens to both coaches and players on this board

such omniscience!

fantasising. Please, Paul, don't be reading Demonland...

... but I can't think of a time when a coach has been sacked so early into a season

Different circumstances but Schimmelbusch was sacked by North after a pre season loss leading to the installation of Pagan who won 2 flags.

^{He is a good coach but not really interested in the MFC so we should keep loking}

If he takes the job he'll be our 56th messiah in the past 15 years.

Good luck.

Hey Jack? Dont you know this club has a Messiah complex. Roos will be the next in a long line

Im hoping the off field rabble is fixed so we dont need a messiah just a bloody good coach

^{He is a good coach but not really interested in the MFC so we should keep loking}

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