Former North Melbourne great Wayne Carey says Denis Pagan can turn Melbourne around

Thoughts?

Thanks, good for a chuckle!

Pagan at Carlton 2003-2007

22 wins from 104 games

Thanks, good for a chuckle!

Pagan at Carlton 2003-2007

22 wins from 104 games

You know as well as anyone that Carlton were crippled by salary cap breaches in that period.

Edited May 28, 201312 yr by hogans_heroes

You know as well as anyone that Carlton were crippled by salary cap breaches in that period.

And some rebellion from "soft C***K" players ... Sound Familiar ???? Just saying..

Carlton players reportedly hated Pagan.

You know as well as anyone that Carlton were crippled by salary cap breaches in that period.

Not meaning to sound ageist (I'm not far behind them), but Pagan and Sheedy were both born in 1947 and are probably past their use by date as serious coaching contenders (exemplified by Sheedy's work at GWS). Methinks the game has probably left them behind and if we are going to chase a new coach, it needs to be someone who is currently involved at the top level (other than Sheeds who I doubt is really involved anyway).

Big fan of Pagan. Was calling (on here) for him to be considered for the gig before Neeld got the nod.

Ruthless, but has he been out of the game too long? I'd prefer he was invovled at some level (similar to Eade). Was coaching Northern Knights in 2009, not sure if he is still there. If he is, he's absolutely worth talking to.

For the fwits who are looking at his time at Carlton as some indication of his ability, you are confirming you limited knowledge and understanding of football.

Oh god no!

15 years ago I would have said yes.

Oh god no!

Reasons?

No. Not Pagan. We need someone young and tough.

No. Not Pagan. We need someone young and tough.

Yeah....Someone like Mark Neeld....?

Not meaning to sound ageist (I'm not far behind them), but Pagan and Sheedy were both born in 1947 and are probably past their use by date as serious coaching contenders (exemplified by Sheedy's work at GWS). Methinks the game has probably left them behind and if we are going to chase a new coach, it needs to be someone who is currently involved at the top level (other than Sheeds who I doubt is really involved anyway).

Besides he doesn't even work in footy anymore, he's in real estate!

I can't help but feel that Carey is describing exactly what Neeld has try to do with this list, and those same characteristics that Neeld has been criticised for showing.

Edited May 28, 201312 yr by pm24

Not meaning to sound ageist (I'm not far behind them), but Pagan and Sheedy were both born in 1947 and are probably past their use by date as serious coaching contenders (exemplified by Sheedy's work at GWS). Methinks the game has probably left them behind and if we are going to chase a new coach, it needs to be someone who is currently involved at the top level (other than Sheeds who I doubt is really involved anyway).

Spot on. But no argument from me that we need someone with experience & profile. Roos fits the bill, but he may not have the hunger for the task. Eade & Williams would be my next ports of call. Not sure what happens to Craig in all of this though. Would like to see him stay. We can't be paying off everyone ..

Can he keep doing real-estate on the side so we can get away with paying him minimum wage? If so I'd take it.

I've heard Pagan do a couple of speaking gigs and chatted to him afterwards. Fascinating guy, very clever and great dry wit. Tells a wonderful story. Next coach? No thanks. Well past his best in that regards.

was at a function where glen manton said pagan was divisive, not liked and was not a nice person, even outside of football. Not his exact words but you get the gist.

As said before, 15 years ago I would have snapped him up in a heartbeat. But he's been out of the game too long and I'm not sure that his methods would be effective in this day and age.

He has "Open for Inspections" & Auctions to attend on weekends.

Would be a good player mentor in all seriousness

Watching replays of Pagan's Kangaroos (and others from that era) is a real eye-opener. It is such ordinary football.

People seem look back with rose-coloured glasses at the way footy used to be but the skill, speed and above all, decision making of the players today is so much better.

There's a classic final between the Kangas and Dogs that often gets replayed on the premise that it is one of the great games of footy and it makes me laugh every time. It is just rubbish - bombing the ball without looking from half back to half back until finally a forward bobs up with a pack mark.

Compare that with the play of the Sydney Swans on the weekend and it's like we're talking about two different sports. Sydney's decision making and execution was sublime - they were able to work their way through any jam without panicking.

While I can't tell you whether Pagan understands modern footy well enough to coach again, the one thing that is clear is that the game is evolving at a rapid rate and it is hard to imagine someone who has spent that long out of it could slot back in with any assuredness.

Very stimulating.

I don't mean the carp about Pagan (the last thing we need at the helm right now is a real estate agent).

I mean the story at the bottom of the article.

Link: Partying Jennifer Hawkins slows down for wedding

Former North Melbourne great Wayne Carey says Denis Pagan can turn Melbourne around

Thoughts?

I think Wayne Carey is becoming a bit unhinged.

I met Denis at a function last year and found him very affable and a great conversationalist, particularly on football matters.

No doubt, he would have his own views on how to bring the club up to speed but I think he would also most likely agree that the job of coaching a successful AFL side in this modern era is not for him. He's about a generation away from being that ideal coach for us - assuming such a person exists.