They'd probably just laugh in our face. If they get Mumford, I don't think they'll be wanting a struggling ruck man as well. If they don't get Mumford, they still won't want a poor quality ruck man.

We have much more of a chance with just pick 2.

They already got Mumford??

If Giles leaves as has been rumoured, ide give up pick 2 and one of Jamar/Spencer for Shiel.

What if we just promise to play both Jamar and Spencer each time we play against them?

They already got Mumford??

Did they?

...

Alternatively, aren't we aiming for absolute gun players with pick 2?

Ones that are presumably happy at their existing clubs?

I mean, we're trying to pry a young kid out of a system they have now settled into.

They are resilient and they are of good character, otherwise we wouldn't be targeting them.

Those very traits make their first instinct not to run away when it gets hard, but to dig in.

So should be surprised that its difficult to pry them away?

Think about it.

Exactly the right point

Did they?

Yes, if not by trade then the first pick in the preseason draft

Yes, if not by trade then the first pick in the preseason draft

So after you say 'yes', the rest of your statement confirms that in fact they don't have him yet.

Shiel for pick 2 any day of the week imo

So after you say 'yes', the rest of your statement confirms that in fact they don't have him yet.

http://m.foxsports.com.au/afl/dept-of-trade/shane-mumford-has-joined-greater-western-sydney/story-fna8vsun-1226731698415 it's called google

So after you say 'yes', the rest of your statement confirms that in fact they don't have him yet.

Mumford has agreed a contract with GWS and will agree to go into the PSD if a suitable trade can't be worked out.

He's over the line, they just don't know how yet, so it's not official.

If he hasn't signed anything, they don't have him yet.

Right... But he doesn't want to go anywhere else, GWS definitely want him, and no one else can stop it...

So what's your bloody point?!

If he hasn't signed anything, they don't have him yet.

If a guy does a press conference wearing the jumper to me that means its a done deal

Technically aren't there 2 days left until Hawthorn definitely don't match Sydneys offer for Franklin? You saying that isn't done yet?

If a guy does a press conference wearing the jumper to me that means its a done deal

Technically aren't there 2 days left until Hawthorn definitely don't match Sydneys offer for Franklin? You saying that isn't done yet?

Hawthorn have said they won't match it, which means the deal goes through before the three days is up

Hawthorn have said they won't match it, which means the deal goes through before the three days is up

Yeah and GWS have pick 1 in the PSD and are offering Mumford money that no other club can or will offer, so once again the deal is as good as done. Not sure how anyone can argue otherwise.

If Giles leaves as has been rumoured, ide give up pick 2 and one of Jamar/Spencer for Shiel.

pick 2 for Shiel.

If Jamar is in the deal it's pick 2 + pick 20 + Jamar for Shiel.

Although I do sympathise - I'd be willing to sweeten the deal for Shiel if we could too.

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Have they? Or has the media portrayed it like that?

And their managers are publicly claiming that, because if a trade doesn't get done and they stay, they don't want their client to become public enemy number 1 for the supporters?

Alternatively, aren't we aiming for absolute gun players with pick 2?

Ones that are presumably happy at their existing clubs?

I mean, we're trying to pry a young kid out of a system they have now settled into.

They are resilient and they are of good character, otherwise we wouldn't be targeting them.

Those very traits make their first instinct not to run away when it gets hard, but to dig in.

So should be surprised that its difficult to pry them away?

Think about it.

exactly, thats why we need good people/players.

If Giles leaves as has been rumoured, ide give up pick 2 and one of Jamar/Spencer for Shiel.

I don't know if Shiel is against our offerings to GWS for his signature.

it might be more about his desire for certainty regarding some success if he leaves GWS.

i think we have to persuade him to come over.

Fine we move on dont beg people make people want to play for us

Fine we move on dont beg people make people want to play for us

Why not?

We begged out current coach to come to us...

Have they? Or has the media portrayed it like that?

And their managers are publicly claiming that, because if a trade doesn't get done and they stay, they don't want their client to become public enemy number 1 for the supporters?

Alternatively, aren't we aiming for absolute gun players with pick 2?

Ones that are presumably happy at their existing clubs?

I mean, we're trying to pry a young kid out of a system they have now settled into.

They are resilient and they are of good character, otherwise we wouldn't be targeting them.

Those very traits make their first instinct not to run away when it gets hard, but to dig in.

So should be surprised that its difficult to pry them away?

Think about it.

Taylor Adams says you're wrong.

Dylan Shiel and pick 9 to MFC

Picks 2 and 20 to GWS

Get me a pen ... I'll take this.

Shiel, Freeman and Savage (with Sylvia Compo)

Taylor Adams says you're wrong.

No, no he doesn't.

I took him and his character into account when I wrote that.

Players that are bent on going home are another case altogether.

And GWS are happy to lose him because, frankly, they have better players.

If he were at another club, or he were better, they'd take necessary steps, like paying him more, so that he'd stay.

That won't happen.

No, no he doesn't.

I took him and his character into account when I wrote that.

Players that are bent on going home are another case altogether.

And GWS are happy to lose him because, frankly, they have better players.

If he were at another club, or he were better, they'd take necessary steps, like paying him more, so that he'd stay.

That won't happen.

I disagree. Josh Caddy is another who last year wouldn't even talk to us.

I disagree. Josh Caddy is another who last year wouldn't even talk to us.

So? Not all players want to go to all clubs. If Geelong was a possibility for him, why look elsewhere?

Though he would have had a lot more game time at Melbourne ...

GWS should play hardball and find the best trade. They should be dictated by the players club of choice.

In the Adams situation. GWS should go with the best offer on the table from any club. They need to make a stand and not allow these kids to dictate where they go or it will send a message to the rest of the playing group that we will send you home to your club of choice if you desire.