I like your post except for this part.

The way I see it, we got Hogan for pick 13. I wouldn't drop my rating down 3 cogs if pick 13 didn't become a star - if he did, on the other hand...

How do you figure we got Hogan for Pick 13? Does that mean we got Dawes and Barry for Pick 3? Wow, we really did pay overs!

How do you figure we got Hogan for Pick 13? Does that mean we got Dawes and Barry for Pick 3? Wow, we really did pay overs!

He's tying it to the 'Viney 2nd round' deal.

Too see Viney wearing his father's old number 12 would be awesome.

If hickey was worth a first rounder we should have gotten better value for martin

gys + pick downgrade for pederson is overs

first round pick should have been enough for dawes, shouldnt have had to downgrade picks

Mini draft deal should only have cost us pick 3 or pick 4+13 at most

Should have taken rodan as a delisted FA even though we got the pick back

Other than that byrnes will be good for us and was only ever a victim of geelong success

Glad we got rid of morton though i think we got lowballed something fierce

seems like the experts may know what theyre talking about

It will be very interesting to see how many of the newbies will get new contracts in 2years time

Barret said we shouldve kept all out high draft picks, pick young kids and trust in them to get the job done.

Yeah because that has worked out so well for us in the past. We will no longer be able to use the young rebuilding team excuse, most of the players in our best 25 will have a minimum of 3-4 years of footy under their belts and now some of them have played in premierships.

It's time to go up.

I get the feeling that if the Swans traded Pederson, Dawes and Rodan into their club, they would be applauded for their moneyball decisions

You just rocketed to todays top poster by my calculations. That hit home. But it won't for many....

The proof will be in the pudding.

Barrett has just rated Melbourne's trading as an 'E". He rates Port Adelaide as a "C"!!!

Surely this alone, examples anything he says as rubbish.

He is allowed an opinion, but he certainly demonstrates a strong bias against Melbourne. His answer was that we should have kept our low Picks and drafted kids.....lowering our expectations!!!!!

I think time will prove him totally wrong.

Barrett you are a 'wombat'!

What a nob.

We picked up Hogen, Barry and Viney with pick 3, 13 and 26. Still have Pick 4 in the bank for another young mid.

How many more kids do you need to get in one draft when you already have a team full of them?

Who cares what the 3 stooges think? I recall us being called the winners of the draft when we drafted morton, grimes and maric. Reckon they got that right?

What a nob.

We picked up Hogen, Barry and Viney with pick 3, 13 and 26. Still have Pick 4 in the bank for another young mid.

How many more kids do you need to get in one draft when you already have a team full of them?

We actually picked up Hogan, Barry, Dawes and Viney for picks 3,13 and 26, as the initial deal for Hogan/Barry for Pick 3 and 13, also gave us the pick 20 we used on Dawes.

Big win, but the media have their beliefs that the MFC are a basket case and are happily twisting the facts to support this....

We actually picked up Hogan, Barry, Dawes and Viney for picks 3,13 and 26, as the initial deal for Hogan/Barry for Pick 3 and 13, also gave us the pick 20 we used on Dawes.

Big win, but the media have their beliefs that the MFC are a basket case and are happily twisting the facts to support this....

Agree. The club had taken full advantage of the Scully concessions. Without these concessions we would have Pick 3 and pick 26 (Viney). We now have pick 4 and Viney with Dawes, Barry and Hogan being the compensation for Scully.

At this stage I would have traded Scully for Dawes to the Pies

A big win IMO

We actually picked up Hogan, Barry, Dawes and Viney for picks 3,13 and 26, as the initial deal for Hogan/Barry for Pick 3 and 13, also gave us the pick 20 we used on Dawes.

Big win, but the media have their beliefs that the MFC are a basket case and are happily twisting the facts to support this....

I guess until we start winning games and showing potential in becoming a good side we will always be a basket case in eyes of the media.

For some reason they think Richmond are doing everything right although I still don't see it, I still think they have and average list and probably won't make it into the top 8 for another 12 years. They still cant beat the SUNS But the media thinks there on right track just because of a couple of close games to some undermanned top 8 teams.

You have to admire the commentators on TWR for what they do given that nothing much happens while the grass grows around them. Some like Damien Barrett seem to have cottoned onto the fact that there are some Demon fans out there who are a bit thin skinned and susceptible to a little bit of baiting and think it smart to sink the boots in at every opportunity. Rather like that Denham person on SEN except he also has an agenda. No doubt the latter will go to town tomorrow or the next time he gets an opportunity on our delistings.

These people are only demonstrating their ignorance about the players involved and about what our football department is trying to achieve in this time of transition.

In any event, their performance can only be guauged at some time in the future well beyond the FA/trade and draft period and not before the final name is called at the December PSD & Rookie Drafts. That's still a long way off and I wouldn't worry about the critics at this stage.

Viney is a top 5 pick

Hogan is a top 5 pick

Pick 4 is a top 5 pick

Thats 3 top five picks this draft, how many picks do GWS have in the top 5? And you ask Purple's opinion on GWS' trade period...

Viney is a top 5 pick

Hogan is a top 5 pick

Pick 4 is a top 5 pick

Thats 3 top five picks this draft, how many picks do GWS have in the top 5? And you ask Purple's opinion on GWS' trade period...

Why would anyone even worry about GWS?

We have shown in the past 5 years, it doesn't matter how many top 5 Draft picks you have, if you haven't the senior players to show them the way, then they will always stay as "players with potential"

They also said we would have been better off keeping pick 3 for Toumpas and use pick 4 on Wines and 13 for next best available and 26 on Viney.

This is about the only thing we could have done differently, but we'd have had to use 3 on Viney. So we would be in essentially the same position as we are, but using 13 and 26 on speculative mids, rather than having Hogan, Dawes and Barry.

I rate our strategy a winner.

The simple answer is f... them. We either start winning games and credibility, or remain fodder for the stupid comments of fools and headline seekers.

Why would anyone even worry about GWS?

We have shown in the past 5 years, it doesn't matter how many top 5 Draft picks you have, if you haven't the senior players to show them the way, then they will always stay as "players with potential"

Couldnt agree more, I wish we could have got Goddard, Young and Cloke but purple is right in this regard, we cant attract those players, and I understand that. But we got the best avilable to us in experienced players and "potential" youth

Couldnt agree more, I wish we could have got Goddard, Young and Cloke but purple is right in this regard, we cant attract those players, and I understand that. But we got the best avilable to us in experienced players and "potential" youth

As I've said before it's baby steps first, we will only attract top line players when we start to win, either that or develop our own like Viney, Hogan, Wines, Barry as the new kids and Howe, Tommy Mc, Tappy, Taggert etc as the ones already at the club.

Once we start to win games and look like a credible side we will start to look like a viable destination.

The Melbourne are not a "credible destination" is total crud.

Last year we poached Clark from under Freo's noses, are they therefore more or less attractive than us?

This year we beat the Doggies and potentially others for the services of Dawes, are they therefore more or less attractive then us?

Who did we seriously target to have them choose to go to another club? Cloke and Ray chose to stay at their current club, all the other players we targeted we got.

Only one club landed a "big fish" in the Bummers landing Goddard, and we were not interested in Goddard for the same reason the Saints were not interested in keeping him, he's too old for our window.

Who did North add?

Who did Tigers add?

Who did Adelaide add?

Etc...

Sick to death of media regurgitating the belief that we are the perennial runt of the litter. It's total rubbish.

DB is a fool, but the one thing I like out of this is that this sort of rubbish helps unite us and give us an "us against everyone else" mentality.

Bring on the real toughness we've all been waiting for. Kakadu, big bodies, and a new attitude, combined with a new sense of unity is what will change us for '13.

13 is our new lucky number, let's get that next star on the back of the jumper!

(Jokes, don't think we'll win it next year, but let's try and be positive for now)

We more or less traded Scully for Hogan and Dawes, retained pick 4 and got Viney in the 2nd round. Yeah that's an F for fantastic.

We more or less traded Scully for Hogan and Dawes, retained pick 4 and got Viney in the 2nd round. Yeah that's an F for fantastic.

It's actually Scully for Hogan, Barry and Dawes plus Viney at 27. Whomsoever doesn't consider that at win is not capable of coherent thought.

It's actually Scully for Hogan, Barry and Dawes plus Viney at 27. Whomsoever doesn't consider that at win is not capable of coherent thought.

Apparently fools like Denham and Barrett are not.

Apparently fools like Denham and Barrett are not.

This has been well known to many for a long time. I regard both as flogs of the highest order.

It's actually Scully for Hogan, Barry and Dawes plus Viney at 27. Whomsoever doesn't consider that at win is not capable of coherent thought.

Let's not forget the room it created to obtain Clark either.