Gysberts wouldn't have played next year.

Viney and Wines are new, better players that would have pushed him further down the road.

But IMO this deal will only be a good one of it gets us Ray.

So we trade a young midfielder with obvious talent and a knack of finding the footy for a tall player who couldn't get a game at North when we have just spent big money on a key forward from Collingwood, swapped pick 3 for the best 17-year-old key forward in the country and currently have one of the worst midfields in the competition.

I think Pederson can play but this is an absolutely astonishing short-sighted piece of business.

Gysberts played 1 seniors game (9 disposals) and 14 Casey games in 2012.

He was unable to break into one of the worst teams going around this year... being picked with an early pick gets you only so far.

Gysberts played 1 seniors game (9 disposals) and 14 Casey games in 2012.

He was unable to break into one of the worst teams going around this year... being picked with an early pick gets you only so far.

Maybe because he was injured?

Based on that theory Lenny Hayes was unable to break into the Saints last year either.

So based on one game you are going to say that Gysberts was going to be a gun player. He had talent, but talent isn't enough to survive anymore. Don't you recall what Brad Green said in one of his interviews after he retired....it was along the lines of "some guys can't rely on getting games on talent alone any more. They need to buy in to what the club is doing!"

We have lived in the land of "what could be" long enough.

I'm just curious, are you saying that you would prefer to keep gysberts for depth reasons, rather than have a guy come in who could be in our starting 22???

You really aren't getting it. It was never going to be pick 4 (whoever it is) OR Gysberts on the list.

Once again, if we were that pushed for list space you don't go out and recruit a VFL swingman, a bloke who has been discarded from two clubs and has had more knee recons than haircuts, and a bloke that played his best footy 5 years ago (but its alright because he comes from a "successful" club, even though he couldn't get a game with said club).

Now we just need Farren bloody Ray for this to be an absolute disaster.

I would call it a quick fix but I doubt anything will be fixed considering the calibre of player we have gone after.

Not happy at all. I rated Gys. and he has got a raw deal with this. the guy was injured this year. and he has been sacrificed for a spud.

pederson played 2 games this year and is not needed position wise.

grumble

Maybe because he was injured?

Based on that theory Lenny Hayes was unable to break into the Saints last year either.

14 games at Casey?

"Satterley coached Pedersen at Werribee last season and is seen as a big factor in the swingman lobbing at the Dees."

Is it me or am I seeing a trend of MFC coaches recruiting past players that they have worked with.

Hmm

Clearly we have grave concerns over his ability to develop a tank.

I don't know still think we should have seen out his contract

Not happy at all. I rated Gys. and he has got a raw deal with this. the guy was injured this year. and he has been sacrificed for a spud.

pederson played 2 games this year and is not needed position wise.

grumble

That makes Pederson twice as good as Gys

Viney and Wines better not be a repeat of what Gys was. Im annoyed that he has gone. I still think he will be a gun

Yep, a Barry Prendergast special. He rated him as the 4th best mid of that draft!

Cook gone, Morton gone, Gysberts gone. MN & co are getting rid of a lot of Bailey and Prendergast's work. Our re-build has been an almighty failure. We may well be down the bottom for quite a few more years to come.

sad but true.

Although if our new players have the right attitude we will climb.

Next year we draft more 1-3 year players in F/A

Im happy. Swapping for a player who can .Leaving a player who may never reach his potential .

Thats a win/dont-care for mine

Melbourne Midfield 2013:

Jones, Trengove, McKensie, Viney, Grimes, Blease, Magner, Nicholson, Bail, Sylvia, Davey, Tapscott, Howe

I would say that Gysberts is behind all of those listed above...

+ we have Tynan, Jetta, Taggert, pick 4

This is not the worst trade we've done...

That makes Pederson twice as good as Gys

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Pederson was not injured. Gysberts was.

Going to be good to go from watching a kindergarten team run around to watching a team with men in it.

As they say "You've gotta break eggs to make an Omelette".

We wanted Pedersen for our structure, roles and game plan, and Gysberts was languishing...

You really aren't getting it. It was never going to be pick 4 (whoever it is) OR Gysberts on the list.

Once again, if we were that pushed for list space you don't go out and recruit a VFL swingman, a bloke who has been discarded from two clubs and has had more knee recons than haircuts, and a bloke that played his best footy 5 years ago (but its alright because he comes from a "successful" club, even though he couldn't get a game with said club).

Now we just need Farren bloody Ray for this to be an absolute disaster.

I would call it a quick fix but I doubt anything will be fixed considering the calibre of player we have gone after.

Correct on all counts.

Jordan Gysberts was/ is a great coachable young fellow. He has had some shocking injuries and the only thing he lacks which was not instilled into him last year was CONFIDENCE!

He doesn't lack a tank he lacks confidence.

I'll spew everytime he plays well and he will at Kangas I'll put money on it.

I certainly hope Neeld knows what he is doing because his quick fix would want to work immediately.

If Not???!!

Never forgiven Gys for screwing up from dreamteam so he can go

Actually I like Gys but we need mature bodies and Pedersen only didn't get a game because North have always have a lot of big blokes. Whether it was a good trade time will tell.

Correct on all counts.

Jordan Gysberts was/ is a great coachable young fellow. He has had some shocking injuries and the only thing he lacks which was not instilled into him last year was CONFIDENCE!

He doesn't lack a tank he lacks confidence.

I'll spew everytime he plays well and he will at Kangas I'll put money on it.

I certainly hope Neeld knows what he is doing because his quick fix would want to work immediately.

If Not???!!

but the coach wanted him out so obviously he was not coachable.

Probably my most pleasing trade of the draft period.

3 years at the club without any consistent, meaningful runs of form. Not a big strong guy, not particularly fit, or fast, not the best kick at the club. Pick 11 is just a number now. Hopefully time at the Dees have changed and the players have t perform to earn another contract.

Surely the other non performers ie. Petterd, Bate, Dunn, Bennell etc, etc have a nervous wait til the list is finalised. Hopefully the new and recent draftees are held to higher standards.

I don't really get Rodan?

Go Dees

Probably my most pleasing trade of the draft period.

Finally we agree BH! It's been a long season, but it had to happen sooner or later!

The amount of shite I copped over the past couple of years re JG was amazing. I had my doubts from long ago (about JG), and today has just confirmed that sometimes I do know what I'm talking about!

Where's Stuie?

but the coach wanted him out so obviously he was not coachable.

Yeah well the jury's out on that one! And it begs another question can the coach Coach?

Root and branch.

What is this business about Gysberts being injured by the way? He still managed 14 games for Casey. Enough i would have thought to make a compelling case for senior selection (like for instance Nicho did when coming back from an injury). How players respond to injury (eg focus on rehab etc) gives a FD a great deal of insight into a player i reckon. Not suggesting Gysberts didn't respnd well just that even an injury gives a player a chance to impress a coach (again Nicho being an example).

Out of interest how did he go in the Casey b&f? I had a look at the web site and couldn't see a list. Didn't finish top 3 though (Couch, Tynan and Fitzpatrick).

By the by Troy Davis won the Respect Earner Award. This is why there is no talk about us cutting him. If Gysberts had won that award we wouldn't be trading him. Full stop.

Root and branch.