I'd never ever trust Carlton. What they say and what they do, well........

They would have happily taken Cloke, so place absolutely no value on words coming from visa park !! They lie and cheat you know !!! Lol

The longer it takes...the better for us. Fun isnt it ! Lol

As do the Pies. they need him off their books. Dogs have offered 27, we have 20 and may want to keep that. Swap with Martin still looks good for Pies who get their ruckman/forward. Otherwise if Gysberts goes that should be another second rounder as will Rivers/Moloney FA comp if they can do their deals. Maybe even Petterd and a late pick could do the deal. He has had good games against them.

Why not just keep Martin and play him forward. Grab Pederson with a third rounder. We can then use pick 20 for best available. I would keep Gysberts as well. He has one more year on his contract and we have very few options for delisting in 2013 (Read Contracts thread). Gysberts may well be the big improver after another pre-season.

Edited October 10, 201213 yr by Theo

Gysberts may well be the big improver after another pre-season.

I reckon Gysbert's had his cards marked. He's going unless he could convince Neeld he is ready to go for it 100%. Sad given he went number 11 but there is it is.

I reckon Gysbert's had his cards marked. He's going unless he could convince Neeld he is ready to go for it 100%. Sad given he went number 11 but there is it is.

I think you're correct, but I also think it's a huge mistake

I'd never ever trust Carlton. What they say and what they do, well........

They would have happily taken Cloke, so place absolutely no value on words coming from visa park !! They lie and cheat you know !!! Lol

Who? Prizefixer Park.

One Daw opens & whilst other Dawes shut.

I've lost interest in Daw's, he's not that good, & whinges onfield, squibs to the umps & carries on.

We can do better.

Dawes is a big lump whose main attribute is that he requires a big defender to be played on him. Therefore less chance to double team a good forward, ie Clark.

He'll have his odd day out. So did Ben Holland.

Surely there are other big lumps available, who won't require pick 20.

Dawes is a big lump whose main attribute is that he requires a big defender to be played on him. Therefore less chance to double team a good forward, ie Clark.

He'll have his odd day out. So did Ben Holland.

Surely there are other big lumps available, who won't require pick 20.

Jesse White - a lesser player but serves that role perhaps?

the blues can't cut our lunch because the Pies won't deal with them unless it seems they will rob them blind. Not gonna happen with Shifty Mick at the wheel

Dawes is a big lump whose main attribute is that he requires a big defender to be played on him. Therefore less chance to double team a good forward, ie Clark.

He'll have his odd day out. So did Ben Holland.

Surely there are other big lumps available, who won't require pick 20.

im really starting to lean towards the 'adequate' lump scenario .

IT is interesting, if we can get pederson at a compo pick or 3rd rounder, then that means we can still attack the draft hard for mids at picks 4 and 20, which is great. Also pederson can play the second ruck better than Dawes can leaving Clark and eventually Hogan always forward with Pederson floating. Pederson is the more versatile player imo, who can last after Hogan comes one.

I think Dawes value to us weakened once the Viney pick Hogan selection all panned out as we had hoped 2014 Clark Hogan.

Dont HAVE to get A Dawes now...just a decent lump as Fidge outlined above.

Of course if we got him inexpensively...well..

Listening to Barrett on trade radio (I know...) we are moving toward a deal for Pedersen.

If we get Pedersen we would surely not get Dawes. And also Sellar would be nervous being OOC.

Pedersen can play both ends and is more agile and adaptable than Dawes.

ie. You can push him back if Hogan and Clark is enough in the forward line.

I like Sellar and feel that Neeld would prefer more big bodies than less.

rumors saying dawes going to the dogs...

i will be disappointed if we miss out on dawes. Would love to see him and Mitch up forward next year until Hogan finally comes in.

Surprised he would choose the dogs over the dees.. the dogs list is even worse than ours!!

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hopefully the rumour is just relating to Toy to the dogs! if so.. MEH!!

I would rather plant Jamar at full forward....... Keep Martin as number 1 ruck...... Than get Dawes as a stop gap forward, til we can play Hogan....

It's to do with Toy's heart condition

It's to do with Toy's heart condition

Is that the same heart condition half the Melbourne side has suffered from?

Listening to Barrett on trade radio (I know...) we are moving toward a deal for Pedersen.

If we get Pedersen we would surely not get Dawes. And also Sellar would be nervous being OOC.

Pedersen can play both ends and is more agile and adaptable than Dawes.

ie. You can push him back if Hogan and Clark is enough in the forward line.

I think Neeld savours a degree of versatility. He assigns roles and demands they are carried out but I get he impression he likes players that can do a number of roles; one primary and a fill-in.

Is that the same heart condition half the Melbourne side has suffered from?

No, his is congenital our was lacking any !!( for some )

on facebook site

Chris Dawes to Western Bulldogs

Pick 21 & 47 to Collingwood

yeah i saw that to, to the Bulldogs.

Yeah I was about to write that too.