What. The. Hell.

It's not his fault our midfield is shizen and we have to be excited over a tagger but that is the case.

He has a role to play going forward in a good side and will be around for a while.

And he would be one of the first picked under Neeld, who you seem to admire?

You are just looking for fights of late.

You may be right. It's been a long season and I, like others, am frustrated.

Okay, McKenzie can do a job as a tagger. No issue with that. Has a dip and all that. But let's for the love of christ get some blokes in there who can extract the pill and deliver with skill class to teammates. We need to pronto or this team simply won't be watchable next year.

It was McKenzie. Eddie McGuire called it as Blease, but it was definitely McKenzie.

Thank you sir. Couldn't hear Eddie, although I could smell something.

Don't understand the love for this guy at all. We have the worst midfield in the comp, of which McKenzie is a central plank.

We'll be a better, more compeitive side when he's not in the middle of the ground.

Range Rover, you've become really bloody negative of late! About the only person at the club that you talk up or stick up for is Neeld, and he's about to finish his first year as senior coach with a dismal win loss record. I'm sorry but it rubs me up the wrong way to see you support the new coach so passionatley, yet kick guys like jordie who have been trying their best for the club for a number of years now. I agree that our midfield would benefit from some talented players, but i think Jordie deserves the fans appreciation becasue you cant fault his endevour - thats all we can really ask from the players on the list.

McKenzie doesn't add much to our team, what he does is try and take away from the other team. He's not all that flash and is at best an average player, but there are many that should go before him. He is one of only a few at the club who continually puts in 100%. It is his type that develops culture within a club.

Range Rover, you've become really bloody negative of late! About the only person at the club that you talk up or stick up for is Neeld, and he's about to finish his first year as senior coach with a dismal win loss record. I'm sorry but it rubs me up the wrong way to see you support the new coach so passionatley, yet kick guys like jordie who have been trying their best for the club for a number of years now. I agree that our midfield would benefit from some talented players, but i think Jordie deserves the fans appreciation becasue you cant fault his endevour - thats all we can really ask from the players on the list.

I'm not kicking him. But I'm not lauding him either.

We need players with more than mere 'endeavour'. That's all I'm saying.

Anyone who says McKenzie is no good because he doesn't 'grab the ball, run it out of the guts and kick goals' (like they are a dime a dozen) has little idea of modern football. He will be judged on how he performs the role he is asked to do, which he is doing reasonably well. Every midfield needs defensively minded players, nobody can completely fill their midfield with Abletts and Pendleburys.

Jones posted on his facebook question and answer today that he rates Jordie as the most underated player at our club.

Jones posted on his facebook question and answer today that he rates Jordie as the most underated player at our club.

JT that probably says more about the others than Jordie.

Jones posted on his facebook question and answer today that he rates Jordie as the most underated player at our club.

Yep, reckon Neeld would rate his competitiveness. Also didn't Jordie win the coaches award 2 years running? If only you could have the good bits from Jordie and Watts and put them in one player

Having said that I'm a McKenzie fan but then I also liked Godders

You may be right. It's been a long season and I, like others, am frustrated.

Okay, McKenzie can do a job as a tagger. No issue with that. Has a dip and all that. But let's for the love of christ get some blokes in there who can extract the pill and deliver with skill class to teammates. We need to pronto or this team simply won't be watchable next year.

That's partly the issue. Jordie can deliver with class, if he's allowed to handball. I assume that Neeld has noted that kicking is a weak point, and so he is under orders to kick whenever he can. He's one of the few in the side whose kick ratio has actually increased this year.

And I'd agree with rpfc. Easily in the first five picked when fit.

Range Rover, you've become really bloody negative of late! About the only person at the club that you talk up or stick up for is Neeld, and he's about to finish his first year as senior coach with a dismal win loss record. I'm sorry but it rubs me up the wrong way to see you support the new coach so passionatley, yet kick guys like jordie who have been trying their best for the club for a number of years now. I agree that our midfield would benefit from some talented players, but i think Jordie deserves the fans appreciation becasue you cant fault his endevour - thats all we can really ask from the players on the list.

DemonWA far be for me to defend RR he is capable of doing that himself.

But I think we all have to acknowledge that the MFC has a poor list, it is no accident that we have only one geniune win and sit last on the ladder after 5 years of rebuilding the team.

That suggests to me that a large number of our team are not AFL standard.

As Dees supporters we try and find the best in our team even when it is crap.

AS you describe JM's best attribute is his endeavour, and you need that ingredient as an AFL football.

But against the top half dozen sides it will never make up for a lack of skill.

JM may well be a symptom of our problem

He gets a game every week!

Jones posted on his facebook question and answer today that he rates Jordie as the most underated player at our club.

I agree, everyone else is overrated.

DemonWA far be for me to defend RR he is capable of doing that himself.

But I think we all have to acknowledge that the MFC has a poor list, it is no accident that we have only one geniune win and sit last on the ladder after 5 years of rebuilding the team.

That suggests to me that a large number of our team are not AFL standard.

As Dees supporters we try and find the best in our team even when it is crap.

AS you describe JM's best attribute is his endeavour, and you need that ingredient as an AFL football.

But against the top half dozen sides it will never make up for a lack of skill.

JM may well be a symptom of our problem

He gets a game every week!

Ahh if only I could say it with your diplomacy OldDee. Nail on the head as usual!

Ahh if only I could say it with your diplomacy OldDee. Nail on the head as usual!

Lads, i agree that our list is poor, but surely that doesnt mean that we should pay out on our players?

Dont hate the player hate the recruitment staff!

Lads, i agree that our list is poor, but surely that doesnt mean that we should pay out on our players?

Dont hate the player hate the recruitment staff!

If I am paying out on JM DemonWA I do not mean to

As you suggest he is one of the better ones in a poor lot.

I don,t think it is paying out on the list by suggesting they are poor.

The results put that beyond dispute.

Of course we cannot dump 25 players from the list but a large number of them have to be replaced over the next 3 years

If we had Hawthorns list we would be discussing finasl action and who the best 22 will be.

Unfortunately all we have to discuss at demonland is the degrees of poor performance

I'm not kicking him. But I'm not lauding him either.

We need players with more than mere 'endeavour'. That's all I'm saying.

Like Jack Watts?

Yes i was a big JM fan but he is not a great mid.

He can play a good role but he can not take this midfield forward.

18 touches is not something to be happy about when your playing in the middle.

Like Jack Watts?

No, not like Jack Watts at present.

I am not saying he is the greatest player, i obviously like him. But i think our game has a place for taggers 1 or 2 a team max., and JM is a good one imo. tackles hard and often, 5 a game generally. and gets it 15 times himself. Not rubbish. And has tagged some big players into the ground imo.

edit - what may be inetersting is when the team, if the team improves dramatically. Neeld said at Collingwood they were good enough that they didnt tag players. Will he have a spot then? atm our midfield isnt good enough,when you are top 4 you go head to head more often than tagging.

I am probably in the OldDee camp on this one. I really respect Jordie's effort but to be honest, he wouldn't get a start or a look in at a lot of other clubs.

I have been a big one for advocating that we breed tough and determined footballers but also I do think talent is important. Our problem for the last 5 years has been that we have picked up talented kids and turned them into pea hearts.

Fair enough OD, but after seeing Jones' improvement in all facets of his game in the past 3 years, I see no reason why McKenzie can't apply himself and raise his standard as well.

Well said. Jonesy could maybe take Jordie under his wing starting in this off season and guide him on his way to Demonland universal redemption. I can think of no better mentor for him.

The problem with Jordie is not so much the role that he plays, and yes, he is limited , but there is no silk around him.Not everyone in your midfield can be an Ablett (we dont even have a Nathan Ablett).

Cameron Ling - very much in the McKenzie mould (although later in his career he did start kicking goals). I am not bagging Ling but he had a plethora of gems around him to dish off to that enhanced his reputation.Lings main role was not racking up possessions, was not as an extractor (like Mitchell)- he was a shut down king BUT he could find a bit of the ball whilst tagging and McKenzie finds a bit of the ball too which is very much in his favour.

edit-as a postscript - I think that a McKenzie would be invaluable rotating in a midfield like Collingwood - imagine him sitting on the oppositions best midfielder and get his 20 possessions and feeding it to Beams, Swan and Pendlebury. Carrazzo started life that way and has the shackles removed a little and look how he has turned out - playing a very valuable third fiddle to Judd and Murphy - the silk.

Good that nobody is really bagging the "Ranga" cause we all no that the kid gives his all, all the time for the jumper. He deserves his spot in the team, atm, his skills really do need to improve ova the pre season or he will b left out IF we find a replacement!

McKenzie in a good team would be a highly valued player. In our team we see the value in him but he is frustratingly limited in what he can do. And we can't afford that, we have too many limited players as it stands.

I for one could not believe this thread, Jordie is like the rest of the young guys still learning, he is just 22 and has played 58 games, he should peak in about two years, and he is kicking more this season, he has to under Neeld but he also hasn't forgotten how to tackle and get in and under....Jonesy was getting threads like this two years ago, probably from the same people....

Here is a simple plan....to RR, Old Dee etc etc...we have one game to go, when that is finished, stop supporting Melbourne Football Club and find one that has 22 guns and is about to be successful, that way MFC is left to supporters who support..

Christ I have been as frustrated as the next person at times this season. but I have listened to what the Club is saying, and I have asked questions at every opportunity I have had........but I have never and never will bag any player.....I was certainly not good enough to play AFL footy when I was young enough.....how many posters are/were good enough..give them a bloody chance....

the way some posters post you would think that the Club hasn't played finals since the end of the 19th century.....it was six years ago, and then unfortunately everything that could go wrong has......get over it...success is coming.....listen...we are financially sound, have state of the art facilities, good coaching and fitness staff who know what success looks like.......but all that has only happened in the last couple of years, we have had a lot of catching up to do

The last place that will occur is on the footy field, but it will happen

If you not prepared to wait...then go somewhere else