Seems some people are still not getting it.

We dont need 'potential" anything any more.. We need GOERS

WE need elite, not potential elite

We need midfielders, not potential midfielders

We need forwards , not potential forwards

weve had it up to our ears in potential for a decade and got absolutely NOWHERE.

Its time for players to DO, not be considered potential , or even triers, we need DOERS !!

Sylvia does not do, he exudes "might". Might isnt good enough anymore.

Tough criteria here. Grimes, Trengove, Gysberts, Howe are all "potentials" still as well. Jones, Frawley and Clark are all in the elite/superior range.

Cops the shin and back injury but people expect the guy to still kill it, farcical calls here from most.

True, but he's not giving 100%, or at least doesn't look like it.

Sylvia has talent that most people on our list don't have. But you look at Spencer, at Sellar, at Jetta, at MacDonald, at McDonald, at Grimes, and you see players giving 100% week in, week out. Sylvia doesn't look like that at all, which just isn't good enough.

I was discussing this very topic with my bros today and agreed to disagree he accepts Col on talent when he's hot & I don't cos simply said it's no often enuf, even the yrs where he's played consistently???? Then after a few brews I was trying to mount a case as to why would keep him, and the only thing I cold think of was the experience and leadership in bringing up young players. He simply does not appear to have these attributes on the big stage if his actions could speak words they would be 'me me me'. He or Pettard must go. But probably not both given similarities in their self destructive , enigmatic beauty when they put their [censored] together.

Value where value is due let's get quality or him now while the window is open... Anyone here think we kept TJ Trapper for too long, any similarities... They breed culture.

Good post, I think I agree. After reading thru the posts after yours, I'm tending to agree re Col & Brent, Brad, & maybe Aaron to.

Yesterdays hero's, from a bygone admin/footy whatever it was.

The cleanout isn't complete.

There is still 1 or 2 other plodders to go.

We keep Jamar,,, & maybe Jared. If we can find a suitor for Jared, I think we keep Col. I don't think we can lose all our 27 Yr olds.

We will have to bring some in, after some leave of there own accord. #edit: I see a little Swans recruiting style here to fix this age gap.

Trade Sylvia? No way.

Seems some people are still not getting it.

We dont need 'potential" anything any more.. We need GOERS

WE need elite, not potential elite

We need midfielders, not potential midfielders

We need forwards , not potential forwards

weve had it up to our ears in potential for a decade and got absolutely NOWHERE.

Its time for players to DO, not be considered potential , or even triers, we need DOERS !!

Sylvia does not do, he exudes "might". Might isnt good enough anymore.

Sylvia has shown he can be elite, its not on potential - the guy is elite.

The thing is, he isn't 'elite' very often, mainly due to injuries.

As good as Jones is and has been, Sylvias best is better, he just needs consistancy

and injuries have prevented that.

Neeld and Craig will get the best out of him.

Massive upside in Colin, moreso than trading him - in which we wouldn't get much anyway.

Sylvia and elite does not compute with me.

He spends most of his timely vaguely looking for easy ball and the rest of the time putting in single efforts on the hard ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1efGFYcxJg

Hi CFH. Are you sure the problem was his ticker & not his back re-injured in Q1? The Heart beats trues' comments in post match discussion said

(#37) "Go easy on Sylvia. I think he really hurt his back (again) early in the first

quarter and I think the saints went after it at every opportunity from that point on." (& #59) "Very early he went for a mark and got hurt. Was on the southern stand side and he went off. He grabbed his back the minute he went down. When he came back on his opponent took every opportunity to get into his back and Col was less than impressed. Got into a few scuffles as a result."

If we were just talking about this game in isolation then I would agree. Yes he may or may not have been hurt really bad yesterday but you can't defend my sceptacism of Sylvia's efforts as he has shown little or no effort in a lot of games prior to yesterday it all adds up in the end

Sylvia has shown he can be elite, its not on potential - the guy is elite.

The thing is, he isn't 'elite' very often, mainly due to injuries.

As good as Jones is and has been, Sylvias best is better, he just needs consistancy

and injuries have prevented that.

Neeld and Craig will get the best out of him.

Massive upside in Colin, moreso than trading him - in which we wouldn't get much anyway.

Can you just remind me? I'm really struggling to pluck some of these elite performances from my memory bank. He is a great mark and kick but as others have said is just lazy. There was an effort in the second quarter yesterday where he was in a contest for the ball near the boundray line and he ran in a swung a leg at it whereas he should have put his head over it. These are not the sorts of actions you want to see from a player who has been in the system 7 years.

I'll leave it to Neeld to decide what he does with him but a trade that works out well for us, I would do in a heartbeat. Otherwise mark my words, he will retire as a Melbourne player that never reached his 'elite' or 'upside' potential.

Sylvia has shown he can be elite, its not on potential - the guy is elite.

The thing is, he isn't 'elite' very often, mainly due to injuries.

As good as Jones is and has been, Sylvias best is better, he just needs consistancy

and injuries have prevented that.

Neeld and Craig will get the best out of him.

Massive upside in Colin, moreso than trading him - in which we wouldn't get much anyway.

another with their head in the clouds... munyana munyana munyna.

Sometimes its better to cut your losses....or in Sylvias case non materialising potentail.

How does someone manage two kicks for a game....someone supposedly f'n' elite ?? ffs

Yes he had some tackles... probaly because hes too often johnny come late to the ball and makes some effort to look like hes doing something..

Im not the only one here who will call him lazy.

2 KICKS Magner got htat at least in the small time he was on.

Tired of the older 'potential' players. They ought to beaccomplished bloody players by now.

Some bozo will still be scribbling 4 years hence in here, ahhh...but hes elite, his potential needs to be realised!!

Hes NOTHING if he doesnt do anything. Nor is anyone.

If he was injured why wasn't he subbed out instead of Moloney.....?

If he was injured why wasn't he subbed out instead of Moloney.....?

because Beamer was THAT bad !!

Beamer goes before Sylvia. But it is a close race.

because Beamer was THAT bad !!

But it's not like we're playing for finals, what's the good in aggravating one guys injury (Sylvia) and letting another guy (Beamer) off the hook?

But it's not like we're playing for finals, what's the good in aggravating one guys injury (Sylvia) and letting another guy (Beamer) off the hook?

if you think hard and long about what you suggest you might actually come up with an observation thats probably not the one you premised !!

And it will be that notion that is the one that actually damns Sylvia

What a joke of a thread. Was obviously playing hurt after the shin problem. Had 8 possesions until the shin issue and very few after it. Our best player over the past six weeks and he has one bad game and it's time to get rid of him?

You need some perspective mate.

One bad game?? are you for real?? 3 possessions to half time last week.

NEVER finished inside the top 5 in our b&f in 8 seasons.

Lazy lazy lazy. Must go. He is a cancer. No wonder our culture is shiite when we have lazy senior players who won't chase, and give second efforts. What must younger players think after watching him?? Oh if he doesn't run why should I....

Can't go quick enough for mine.

His work rate and lack of effort should not be tolerated any longer.

Soldee

Settle down a little. He played the entire game with a bad leg and several shots of cortisone during the day to stay on the Park. Tired of the anti Sylvia Posts. One of the few match winners we have.

If he was injured why wasn't he subbed out instead of Moloney.....?

Your Coaches call!

If he was injured why wasn't he subbed out instead of Moloney.....?

Because a half dead Sylvia is more effective than Moloney these days.

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do you ever have any substance to add RRover? Sick and tired of you bagging out on practically the entire list. Sylvia Pretender? Get real and actually watch a few games. Apart from yesterday and he stayed on playing with extreme pain he's put 5 good games together.

As for your pretender=you may apply that theory to Mark Neeld before Sylvia?? I wouldn't suggest such a thing though.

Deelerious ....and others who persist with this potential crap, we don't want potential anymore, we want the real deal. Stuff all this potential elite nonsense. Sylvia will never be elite.

One of the few match winners we have.

I don't think we have any.

Colin has never won a match for us.

I don't think we have any.

Colin has never won a match for us.

He did that time we lost to Hawthorn.

He did that time we lost to Hawthorn.

lol

I was hoping someone would post about that game but actually mean it.

You cannot turn over every single underperforming player on a list in one year, Sylvia will stay, the coaches seem relatively pleased with him. He is contracted, he won't be worth enough in a trade and football clubs, like all performance institutes need a degree of continuity, there are so many already on notice (reportedly 11) there is no way more than that will go.