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olisik made a good point in the Under 18 carnival thread about Toumpas, Stringer and Wines.

I don't watch the under 18s very often but looking at today's game I would go with:-

■ Toumpas;

■ Stringer; or

■ Wines

Thoughts?

Oliver Wines for sure! reminds me of dustin martin alot! good head on his shoulders too.

Absolutely spot on, that is the comparison I made aswell, not Sylvia, Martin!

Well balanced on both sides, ferocious, desperate and has that shrug.

well, its almost that time again,,, & some great calls were made back then in the run up to the 2012 drafts.

& some decisions? well is the ball still out as yet, or call time?

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Jeez if missing Wines wasn't bad enough we also missed Stringer :.(

and our inside players are not there yet either.. lets just maintain we get tough players inside or outside, they should LUV a physical contest first, before the other non-negotiables.

you can always find a spot for a player who wants to compete hard. our depth, still has room for more hard players

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Toumpas seems to have fallen out of favour badly with coaches. He was doing OK for a while there mid year.

I think his trajectory is solid enough to hold onto hope. Those decision making errors are frustrating but often the creative thinkers get caught in ugly positions early in career. He was tackling better this year and working inside more. I think another year could see a solid inside creative goal kicking mid emerge. Will never be fast but could make up for it with other attributes.

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well, its almost that time again,,, & some great calls were made back then in the run up to the 2012 drafts.

& some decisions? well is the ball still out as yet, or call time?

We did well with Kent and Viney in that draft. Considering where both were taken, I think we did well with those 2. In regards to Toumpas, I'd be keen to cut him loose for a second round pick. I think we could cash him in for a second round pick, use it on Lovell or Gresham, that would be the way to go.

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Oliver Wines for sure! reminds me of dustin martin alot! good head on his shoulders too.

Gee this was a good observation.

All I would say is this. Wines wanted to come to the MFC. Prayed, pleaded, everything. To make matters worse, Port Adelaide have annointed him as next captain in his first year, ala Selwood at Geelong.

For a club that had no inside contested youth. For a club that has difficulty being a destination club. For a club that has been bereft of leadership. For a club that has difficulty retaining players. Surely, this was a no brainer.

Yes, we need to move on. But we also need to applaud those Demonlander's who picked it before the fact. Read my thread on brotherhood, Wines & Viney before the draft.

If this was another era, we would have blamed Toumpas's slow rise on our "development" inadequacy at the club. That is another debate for another day.

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We should have taken Simon Black ahead of Travis Johnstone 18 years ago too. Who [censored] cares now, it can't be undone. Paul Roos certainly has a case.

My God I am so sick of this

This is a shining example of just how stupid all you draft revisionists are

Black went at pick 31. That means every club overlooked him twice before Brisbane got him

But for some reason we 'should' have been able to magically see a champion 31 picks deep

If we could just see into the future and pick the best player at every pick we would have won 20 flags in a row FFS

and how do you even know if players would have developed in the same way at the MFC? You can't know, nobody can

How can your sense of basic reasoning fail you so badly

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My God I am so sick of this

This is a shining example of just how stupid all you draft revisionists are

Black went at pick 31. That means every club overlooked him twice before Brisbane got him

But for some reason we 'should' have been able to magically see a champion 31 picks deep

If we could just see into the future and pick the best player at every pick we would have won 20 flags in a row FFS

and how do you even know if players would have developed in the same way at the MFC? You can't know, nobody can

How can your sense of basic reasoning fail you so badly

Exactly

Ever club passed over Chris Grant multiple times, like they all did with James Hird, who, as a player, was fantastic.

Every club got those very wrong.

I wonder if their supporter blogs go mad over this lack of crystal ball?

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My God I am so sick of this

This is a shining example of just how stupid all you draft revisionists are

Black went at pick 31. That means every club overlooked him twice before Brisbane got him

But for some reason we 'should' have been able to magically see a champion 31 picks deep

If we could just see into the future and pick the best player at every pick we would have won 20 flags in a row FFS

and how do you even know if players would have developed in the same way at the MFC? You can't know, nobody can

How can your sense of basic reasoning fail you so badly

You do know he was pulling the [censored]??

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That was an up and down trade and draft period - I remember being emotionally invested in Wines and then turning on a dime to support Toumpas - I think we all hope we can salvage a player there...

But getting Hogan for ND3 (and a slide from ND13 to ND20) and Viney at ND26 are huge wins.

Those two competitive blokes will drive the club for a decade.

*Those that immediately thought "if we can keep Hogan" - that is the negative mindset that irritates Roos.

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God you are full of it, how could you possibly make this claim

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/todd-viney-well-aware-of-the-competitive-nature-of-potential-draftee-ollie-wines/story-e6frg6n6-1226509826657

You could you make this claim? I thought it was common knowledge.

Have a look at this for a start.....and his video interview in it.

There is also evidence (I can't find it yet) of the ultimatum he gave Melbourne. "You don't pick me now, you have lost me for ever".

The Wines family was absolutely distraught at the fact that Port chose him, instead of Melbourne.

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A thread dug from the depths about recruiting? Yep, more negativity. ^_^

Honestly though, I don't see the point in worrying about the past when it can't be changed. All clubs have made a balls up at some point in their recruiting.

It's time to move forward people.

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/todd-viney-well-aware-of-the-competitive-nature-of-potential-draftee-ollie-wines/story-e6frg6n6-1226509826657

You could you make this claim? I thought it was common knowledge.

Have a look at this for a start.....and his video interview in it.

There is also evidence (I can't find it yet) of the ultimatum he gave Melbourne. "You don't pick me now, you have lost me for ever".

The Wines family was absolutely distraught at the fact that Port chose him, instead of Melbourne.

That was Viney.

He said something like "If Melbourne don't pick me I'll make them pay on the field" or something.

I don't recall Wines making any statements about playing for the Dees other than saying he was really close to Jack.

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That was Viney.

He said something like "If Melbourne don't pick me I'll make them pay on the field" or something.

I don't recall Wines making any statements about playing for the Dees other than saying he was really close to Jack.

It doesn't make sense - unless you grew up a Melbourne supporter it would be the absolute last place you would want to end up, you are diving into a career of losses, small crowds in bad timeslots and stilted development

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I've always thought Stringer could be the best of his draft year, there was so much upside for him.

I hope we can identify someone with upside this year but as 'Macca' says, the draft is a bit of a raffle.

Charlie Curnow

191cm 95gk who who like Stringers kicks goals when he plays the key forward role but also can be thrown in the midfield and play as that big bodied midfielder like Josh Kennedy.

Powerful kid.

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Charlie Curnow

191cm 95gk who who like Stringers kicks goals when he plays the key forward role but also can be thrown in the midfield and play as that big bodied midfielder like Josh Kennedy.

Powerful kid.

Yep, I wasn't overly impressed by any of the players tipped to go in the top few but admittedly that's on limited viewing. Given that, to me it's players with some real upside that I would be looking at. Curnow is one and I think Balic is another.

Weiderman could be a good get from all reports, I don't know much about him. Can anyone tell me bit more, is he mobile? can he play the 2nd ruck role?

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