Please no Stef Martin - McEvoy will destroy him and Waters is smart enough to exploit that.

Tom Mac needs to be given more game time.

Jack Watts, please eat more protein bars.

Jack Watts, please eat more protein bars.

Did you see the mark he took leading to his goal? Wrestled his man, tossed him aside and took it easily. His issue is that he get the fumbles when he's tired. I think it's more a matter of fitness than strength, although he does need both to improve.

Did you see the mark he took leading to his goal? Wrestled his man, tossed him aside and took it easily. His issue is that he get the fumbles when he's tired. I think it's more a matter of fitness than strength, although he does need both to improve.

I saw that and I was thrilled.....more, more more.

I'm forever looking for Watt's positives and there are plenty there to like. The example you quoted was hardly a sign of improved strength. If dwarf-tossing becomes an Olympic sport, Jacks our man.

Those knocking his dropped mark are being overly harsh - I reckon he did well to even get to that contest

Koschitzke to miss this week's game. No way Tommy Mac will retain his spot

Koschitzke to miss this week's game. No way Tommy Mac will retain his spot

If you're right, that's a shame....he needs games.

Hilarious, what will be the next suggestion " that we just forfeit the game"

Injury List is up. This week's mystery is a double banger:

- Is Taggert now available, if so wonder why they don't mention it

- when and how did Tynan get a 2-4 week foot injury?

Be good to see Jurrah and Sylvia back, wherever they play. Liam probably needs at least a couple of games at Casey.

Round five injury list

Mitch Clark (neck) - test

Michael Evans (back) - indefinite

Max Gawn (knee) - season

Brad Green (finger) - 3 weeks

Jordan Gysberts (ankle) - 2 weeks

Neville Jetta (ankle) - indefinite

Liam Jurrah (wrist) - test

Stef Martin (hip) - test

James Strauss (leg) - 1 week

Josh Tynan (foot) - 2-4 weeks

For those calling for Dunn's head, it won't happen if you understand modern footy. He wont get much of the ball next week either and I'm sure Mark Neeld is hoping Sam Fisher doesn't either. Dunn straight to Fisher

Out: Joel Mac, Tapscott, Tom McDonald, Sellar

In: Grimes, Sylvia, Martin, Couch/Petterd

Joel Mac, god, I like his attack but in the modern game if you can't kick (which the majority of our backline can't) then you get butchered. Batram hanging on by a thread, perhaps because he is in the leadership group.

Tom Mc has a future, but needs to have a spell at Casey to work on some of his deficiencies. Kosi out doesn't help his case.

Tappy just does not look fit at all, was limping towards the end of the game, give him a rest and then a couple of hitouts at Casey (as much as I love him)

Grimes and Sylvia should add some much needed class.

Endeavour needs to be replicated.

Martin was not dropped, he has a few issues with his hip playing up, assume it wasn't up to this week, I actually spoke to him a couple of weeks ago and he was very disappointed it's picked now to play up, he had an op on it a couple of years ago, if posters must vent their spleen, then at least get the facts correct....and....

Lynden Dunn was given a job in the second half to stop Bob Murphy who was cutting us up in the 1st Half, he had 18 or so touches in the 1st and 6 in the second, I wonder who stopped that, try watching the game and listening to what the coach has to say...

Yes I am as disappointed as the next poster that we lost, but I have never and will never bag individual players, it is a team game, notice Matty Bate got away with it this week and Morton, what's wrong posters....did they play well?

Maybe they played better Satyr, better, not Well, but better than they have previously?

Is it wrong to want the players of mature footy age to perform, as one would hope for them after so many games @ AFL level. We're talking dunn, Bate, Morton played enough years & games to pull the plug out & go for it. These types who rightfully should be Expected to play hard footy & perform for the jumper & the crowd that continually comes out to support them all for years???

I don't think thats Wrong at all. In fact some have had it Way Too Easy & they've been allowed to grow in cotton wool. Timmy Watson was playing senior VFL @ 16 Years of Age, in a very rugged time of the game.

You'ld think that dunn & Bater, & some others, could continually show some aggression at the ball & at the contest. Not masquerade...

For those calling for Dunn's head, it won't happen if you understand modern footy. He wont get much of the ball next week either and I'm sure Mark Neeld is hoping Sam Fisher doesn't either. Dunn straight to Fisher

I can wear that, IF he cuts Fischer out, for sure.

Did you see the mark he took leading to his goal? Wrestled his man, tossed him aside and took it easily. His issue is that he get the fumbles when he's tired. I think it's more a matter of fitness than strength, although he does need both to improve.

I think it's a bit of all three.

and I think he needs to learn to toughen up mentally, to Push through these thoughts of tiredness. like a marathon runner has to first learn to push past the limits he imagines.

So endurance, Strength for sure, & work on the mental approach to fatigue.

Out: Joel Mac, Tapscott, Tom McDonald, Sellar

In: Grimes, Sylvia, Martin, Couch/Petterd

Joel Mac, god, I like his attack but in the modern game if you can't kick (which the majority of our backline can't) then you get butchered. Batram hanging on by a thread, perhaps because he is in the leadership group.

Tom Mc has a future, but needs to have a spell at Casey to work on some of his deficiencies. Kosi out doesn't help his case.

Tappy just does not look fit at all, was limping towards the end of the game, give him a rest and then a couple of hitouts at Casey (as much as I love him)

Grimes and Sylvia should add some much needed class.

Endeavour needs to be replicated.

I've been thinking the same, that it might be time to give Tommy a rest for 2 weeks, to freshen him up.

I think it's a bit of all three.

and I think he needs to learn to toughen up mentally, to Push through these thoughts of tiredness. like a marathon runner has to first learn to push past the limits he imagines.

So endurance, Strength for sure, & work on the mental approach to fatigue.

Totally agree. The two mistakes in the third to cost us a goal were painful to watch and were clearly a concentration issue as much as anything. After the goal the camera showed him and he looked exhausted. Needs to maintain his concentration when he feels like crawling into a hole and sleeping for a week.

Outs- Watts, Macdonald, Macdonald, Clark(if he plays Dunn out)

Ins- Couch, Petterd, Grimes, Davis

Watts cost us the game today, that dropped mark was horrendous and the biggest turning point in the match, im not Watts bashing its just the facts, the 2 macdonalds are never to pull this jumper on again

idiotic Watts comment.........wake up.

idiotic Watts comment.........wake up.

He also said "the 2 macdonalds [sic] are never to pull this jumper on again". Obviously a troll, nobody with a brain would write off Tom McDonald after a grand total of 5 games. Think his username is apt.

Give Watts a break. Yeah he dropped the mark but how many marks were dropped for the game? Our poor kicking/handballing skills cost us the game not one dropped mark!

Agree. Yes he dropped a mark, but he has been in our better players over the first 4 rounds - disappointing though they have been. Drop everyone who made a mistake last week and we don't have a team - get a grip !

Change for this game...... out with confusion, in with a modicum of confidence... Dont think...DO !!!!

I've been thinking the same, that it might be time to give Tommy a rest for 2 weeks, to freshen him up.

Tom Mac & Tapscott are not ready.

Don't really mind who comes in. What I want to see is some energy for the content, some endeavour & some flair when we move forward. There is no enthusiasm there at all.

Give Watts a break. Yeah he dropped the mark but how many marks were dropped for the game? Our poor kicking/handballing skills cost us the game not one dropped mark!

Watts was one of many, we cannot hold on to marks, all players are one grab then out onto ground,one of our main problems. Watts was one of our bette rplayers so get off his bloody back dipstick.

Just to clear things up, it's Tom Mc and Joel Mac.

IN: Fitzpatrick, Grimes, Petterd

OUT: J. MacDonald, T. McDonald, Sellar

FB: Garland, Frawley, Bartram

HB: Grimes, Rivers, Bail

HB: Watts, McKenzie, Bate

HF: Howe, Dunn, Petterd

FF: Fitzpatrick, Clark, Davey

FOLL: Jamar, Moloney, Magner

INT: Jones, Morton, Trengove, Tapscott

EMERG: Blease, Couch, Sellar

Seeing as Sylvia hasn't played for 5-6 weeks now I reckon he should have at least a week in the VFL to blow the cobwebs out.

My changes were based mainly on trying to create a bit more run and not so top heavy. Sellar gave us nothing, Joel Mac was terrible and poor old Tommy Mac was very nervous.

IN: Fitzpatrick, Grimes, Petterd

OUT: J. MacDonald, T. McDonald, Sellar

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Ins make sense except I don't think Petterd should come back in until he puts a minimum of 2 or 3 games together in the twos. If a player is dropped (as he was) it probably indicates that he lacks effort, fitness or skill. I think that players need to earn their places in the team barring a catastrophe. Fitzpatrick always puts in and has probably earnt a spot given Sellars has struggled. I could also understand if the selectors decide to persevere with Sellars for a notes couple of games to see if he can lift.

I normally pillory Bartram on this forum for his disposal and decision-making, but I actually thought he was one of our better performers yesterday. The sooner we find a replacement for him the better, but at the moment he does things no one else on our list seems willing to do.

No mate.... stick to your normal policy. We are not going to have an effective backline with a small back there who can't even start a threatening rebound let alone finish one. In today's footy there is no place for a pure stopper - particularly one who is not big enough to apply any real physical pressure.

The fact that Barts is getting a regular game just demonstrates how poor our options are at the moment.He'd get a game at GWS - and probably the Suns - but no other team would look at him. He could be a terrific mentor for our youngsters in the VFL - and might be a useful depth player when injuries hit - but he should not be part of our best 22. What's Barts willing to do that others aren't .... run along 5-10 metres behind his opponent in the hope that he can knock it out of bounds?

Tommy Mac might have weaknesses at the moment - but at his age he does have an upside.