Jump to content

Players signing with other clubs


nutbean

Recommended Posts

I have mentioned this in the Voldemort thread.

Whilst I understand we are brought up on a game that demands player loyalty - it is not the same game it was 20 years ago.

With free agency here there will be more players poached mid season and we still have one more year of GWS signings I advocate a move to the NRL system of players announcing they are moving to another club when they have signed.

I believe that some coaches at clubs unable to make the finals may not play the departing individual but I dont think that Collingwood wouldnt play Pendlebury if he announced he was going to GWS and a possible premiership was on the line.

This also alleviates this nonsense of players having to lie about what they are doing and allows us all to get on and play football. If a football in a team not paticipating in the finals feels he wants to "preserve his body" for the new team then he will quickly end up in the 2nds.

It does fly in the face of what we have grown up with but is the sport not professional enough now that we can endure this change ?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The way to move past this is to get used to players waiting until October to sign contracts in the FA Fortnight or whatever they want to call it.

I don't want players to announce with a year to go - they should simply wait and not sign for anyone until this FA Fortnight.

The AFL can step in and say there are no binding agreements that can be signed until that October.

It would annoy many fans who want to see their heroes sign up early but that is how I see the remedy. People will speculate on players leaving but there won't be able to until that October.

Take away the ability to sign with anyone.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Are players allowed to be signed or even talk with another club while still under contract (apart from the GWS, Gold Coast windows)?

To me it makes more sense that no discussion with or signing to another club take place until the end of the season. Yes I know there will be under the table stuff go on but the AFL should come down heavily on this, although their past history with $ doesn't guarantee they will. Then there are no anouncements that need to be made mid season and players are committed to their clubs whilst under contract as they should be.

The NRL system was shown up badly last year with the problems at Manly and to a lesser extent with Bennett leaving St.George. Coaches, granted but players were in the mix. I don't think this system works well at all despite what many in the media would have us believe.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The way to move past this is to get used to players waiting until October to sign contracts in the FA Fortnight or whatever they want to call it.

I don't want players to announce with a year to go - they should simply wait and not sign for anyone until this FA Fortnight.

The AFL can step in and say there are no binding agreements that can be signed until that October.

It would annoy many fans who want to see their heroes sign up early but that is how I see the remedy. People will speculate on players leaving but there won't be able to until that October.

Take away the ability to sign with anyone.

Thinking and typing similar thoughts, sorry to duplicate.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Are players allowed to be signed or even talk with another club while still under contract (apart from the GWS, Gold Coast windows)?

To me it makes more sense that no discussion with or signing to another club take place until the end of the season. Yes I know there will be under the table stuff go on but the AFL should come down heavily on this, although their past history with $ doesn't guarantee they will. Then there are no anouncements that need to be made mid season and players are committed to their clubs whilst under contract as they should be.

The NRL system was shown up badly last year with the problems at Manly and to a lesser extent with Bennett leaving St.George. Coaches, granted but players were in the mix. I don't think this system works well at all despite what many in the media would have us believe.

i don't think there is an easy answer to this at all...The $cully way or the NRL way are both messy...what i hope does happen, is that if free agency deals are done-do them quickly....none of this months & months Rubbish.

If contracts are signed quickly clubs players & supporters can move on after a short grieving time. We do not want anymore "Black Clouds" ever again.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A player should indicate to his club about approaches or signings by/with another club.

This then allows his club to then plan for the upcoming draft/delistings etc in a more informed manner.

Actually it should become mandatory.

But that's not really aiding the issue that nutbean is outlining.

Clubs should be able to calibrate their Drafting and Trading ideas after the FA signings and before the draft. It's not a long process and the FA signings week/fortnight/month will be apart of their plans for draft/delistings etc. anyway.

Just make it illegal to 'sign' anyone before that October and the rest is speculation without foundation.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Just make it illegal to 'sign' anyone before that October and the rest is speculation without foundation.

Money Talks rpfc, so i doubt that will occur...particularly when the AFL is concerned. October 2010 comes to mind...that was outside the trade window.

Just make the trades transparent & quick...lessen the blow.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Money Talks rpfc, so i doubt that will occur...particularly when the AFL is concerned. October 2010 comes to mind...that was outside the trade window.

Just make the trades transparent & quick...lessen the blow.

I'm not sure what 'money talks' means in this instance.

Contracts cannot be signed until October, in fact, we could say contracts can't be given until the appropriate October.

Any club breaching the rule will be punished through the draft.

There are ways to do this without getting into the farcical place of having players agreeing to go to clubs, and announcing it, 12 months ahead of time.

It doesn't work in the NRL - as seen with Manly/Bulldogs last year and it won't work in the AFL.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not sure what 'money talks' means in this instance.

Contracts cannot be signed until October, in fact, we could say contracts can't be given until the appropriate October.

Any club breaching the rule will be punished through the draft.

There are ways to do this without getting into the farcical place of having players agreeing to go to clubs, and announcing it, 12 months ahead of time.

It doesn't work in the NRL - as seen with Manly/Bulldogs last year and it won't work in the AFL.

You may well be right, but don't forget this is new ground,,,so i expect a long teething period...Clubs like the Filth and other rich organizations will push the boundries as hard as they can

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You may well be right, but don't forget this is new ground,,,so i expect a long teething period...Clubs like the Filth and other rich organizations will push the boundries as hard as they can

To an extent, but the US sports with a defined period for FA seems to work pretty well, they wait to sign their contracts until then and planning is done very quickly after that.

And yes, the 'big market teams' can be very attractive but we have a hard salary cap that, like the NFL, means many different teams get to the biggest day of the season.

Really, the only way Collingwood and co. will 'game' the system is if there are promises of cash outside of footy or after their careers, and I believe, with the way the cap is working, that the belief the bigger teams will 'game' the system to be a myth born out of fear of the unknown.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

To an extent, but the US sports with a defined period for FA seems to work pretty well, they wait to sign their contracts until then and planning is done very quickly after that.

And yes, the 'big market teams' can be very attractive but we have a hard salary cap that, like the NFL, means many different teams get to the biggest day of the season.

Really, the only way Collingwood and co. will 'game' the system is if there are promises of cash outside of footy or after their careers, and I believe, with the way the cap is working, that the belief the bigger teams will 'game' the system to be a myth born out of fear of the unknown.

As i said you could well be right, and i hope you are...but i still do not fully trust the AFL to get it all right either..Will Be interesting...If the MFC put up a good effort this season we should be ok, another train wreck we certainly must not have.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not sure what 'money talks' means in this instance.

Contracts cannot be signed until October, in fact, we could say contracts can't be given until the appropriate October.

Any club breaching the rule will be punished through the draft.

There are ways to do this without getting into the farcical place of having players agreeing to go to clubs, and announcing it, 12 months ahead of time.

It doesn't work in the NRL - as seen with Manly/Bulldogs last year and it won't work in the AFL.

its called a verbal or hand shake agreement, happens in every sport, and is only going to get worse in our code

Link to comment
Share on other sites

its called a verbal or hand shake agreement, happens in every sport, and is only going to get worse in our code

Yes, of course it does.

But will it happen more?

I don't know, but I am confident if players and agents are encouraged to do all the deals in the appropriate October then that will lessen the 'handshake' agreements.

Anyway, all it takes to threaten the 'handshake economy' is for one of the parties to renege on that 'handshake deal.'

And a handshake deal isn't worth the paper its printed on...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not sure what 'money talks' means in this instance.

Contracts cannot be signed until October, in fact, we could say contracts can't be given until the appropriate October.

Any club breaching the rule will be punished through the draft.

There are ways to do this without getting into the farcical place of having players agreeing to go to clubs, and announcing it, 12 months ahead of time.

It doesn't work in the NRL - as seen with Manly/Bulldogs last year and it won't work in the AFL.

knowing Vlad and his cohorts the FA rules will probably have more backdoors than Windows

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have mentioned this in the Voldemort thread.

Whilst I understand we are brought up on a game that demands player loyalty - it is not the same game it was 20 years ago.

With free agency here there will be more players poached mid season and we still have one more year of GWS signings I advocate a move to the NRL system of players announcing they are moving to another club when they have signed.

I believe that some coaches at clubs unable to make the finals may not play the departing individual but I dont think that Collingwood wouldnt play Pendlebury if he announced he was going to GWS and a possible premiership was on the line.

This also alleviates this nonsense of players having to lie about what they are doing and allows us all to get on and play football. If a football in a team not paticipating in the finals feels he wants to "preserve his body" for the new team then he will quickly end up in the 2nds.

It does fly in the face of what we have grown up with but is the sport not professional enough now that we can endure this change ?

  

Nice idea but I couldn't see it working. Can you imagine the uproar if say a Pendlebury lost form during the finals? There would be all sorts of conjecture and bad blood.

Rpfc has it right I think with a blanket ban on binding agreements until October. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes, of course it does.

But will it happen more?

I don't know, but I am confident if players and agents are encouraged to do all the deals in the appropriate October then that will lessen the 'handshake' agreements.

Anyway, all it takes to threaten the 'handshake economy' is for one of the parties to renege on that 'handshake deal.'

And a handshake deal isn't worth the paper its printed on...

aren't they currently encouraged to do all the wheeling and dealing in the trade period?

i think thats why they extended trade period to try and keep all dealings to a certain time of the year

Link to comment
Share on other sites


aren't they currently encouraged to do all the wheeling and dealing in the trade period?

i think thats why they extended trade period to try and keep all dealings to a certain time of the year

Yes, but a year in advance for the new clubs.

I wouldn't allow that any longer, so if any binding contracts were attempted to be signed a year in advance they would be null and void.

You can only sign a contract for a new club inside a month before you leave.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

But that's not really aiding the issue that nutbean is outlining.

Clubs should be able to calibrate their Drafting and Trading ideas after the FA signings and before the draft. It's not a long process and the FA signings week/fortnight/month will be apart of their plans for draft/delistings etc. anyway.

Just make it illegal to 'sign' anyone before that October and the rest is speculation without foundation.

Yea but if talks were reported and reporting was mandatory then clubs would be better prepared ala Scullygate.

If not reported then penalties apply. Making it illegal= same thing

The club concerned could be looking at replacements much earlier.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yea but if talks were reported and reporting was mandatory then clubs would be better prepared ala Scullygate.

If not reported then penalties apply. Making it illegal= same thing

The club concerned could be looking at replacements much earlier.

Take a bow skills32. A system that requires transparency and honesty if you want to secure a player from another club with severe sanctions on clubs, player managers and players if the provisions are breached. A system where the club concerned needs to lodge a formal permission to approach document before speaking to the player, his manager and/or family members. Knowing a little of how player recruitment works it would still be abused but if properly enforced, it would bring everything out into the open and onto the table.

Of course, the AFL and some clubs would hate it because they prefer these things done in a shadowy cloak and dagger environment.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The other aspect of this subject is the necessity for the clubs to be prepared for the advent of free trading. Clubs which have the resources both in terms of the finances and the personnel who have the know how to properly exploit the existing rules to their advantage will prosper.

I suspect supporters will be in for a few shocks to the system as loopholes are uncovered and the smart clubs come up with clever recruiting coups. Those that come out "winners" in this game will be those that have prepared long and hard for free agency.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    LIVE AND LET DIE by Meggs

    The Demons’ impressive late season charge to finals will most likely come unstuck this Saturday evening when the Bombers blow up the also-ran Blues in the Ikon Park double-header.   To mangle McCartney, what does it matter to ya? To have any chance to play next week Narrm has got a job to do and needs to do it well.  We’ve got to give the Pie sheilas hell, say live and let die! It’s Indigenous Round for this game and the chance to celebrate and engage with Aboriginal and Torres

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    2024 Player Reviews: #32 Tom Sparrow

    Had to shoulder more responsibility as the club’s injury concerns deepened but needs to step up more as he closes in on 100 games. Date of Birth: 31 May 2000 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 95 Goals MFC 2024: 6 Career Total: 34 Games CDFC: 1 Goals CDFL: 0

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 11

    2024 Player Reviews: #35 Harry Petty

    Failed to fulfill the promise of his breakout six goal effort against the Tigers in 2023 and was generally disappointing as a key forward. It remains to be seen whether Simon Goodwin will persevere with him in attack or return him to the backline where he was an important cog in the club’s 2021 premiership success. Date of Birth: 12 November 1999 Height: 197cm Games MFC 2024: 20 Career Total: 82 Goals MFC 2024: 9 Career Total: 28 Brownlow Medal Votes 3

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 14

    2024 Player Reviews: #22 Blake Howes

    After a bright start to the season, playing mostly in defence, Howes seemed to lose his way in midseason but fought back with some good performances at Casey and finished the year back at AFL level. One to watch in 2024. Date of Birth: 7 March 2003 Height: 191cm Games MFC 2024: 15 Career Total:  15 Goals MFC 2024: 0 Career Total:  0 Games CDFC 2024: 6 Goals CDFC 2024: 0

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    2024 Player Reviews: #33 Tom Fullarton

    Originally an NBL basketballer with the Brisbane Bullets, he moved across town in 2019 to the AFL Lions where he played 19 games before crossing to Melbourne where he was expected to fill a role as a back up ruckman/key forward. Unfortunately, didn’t quite get there although he did finish equal sixth in Casey’s best and fairest award. Date of Birth: 23 February 1999 Height: 198cm Games CDFC: 14 Goals CDFL: 13

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    2024 Player Reviews: #10 Angus Brayshaw

    Sadly, had to wrap up a great career in midstream on the back of multiple concussions which culminated in the Maynard hit in the 2023 Qualifying Final. His loss to the club was inestimable over and above his on field talent given his character and leadership qualities, all of which have been sorely missed. Date of Birth: 9 January 1996 Height: 188cm Games MFC 2024: 0 Career Total: 167 Goals MFC 2024: 0 Career Total: 49

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 8

    2024 Player Reviews: #40 Taj Woewodin

    The son of former Demon Brownlow Medalist Shane, Taj added a further 16 games to his overall tally of games but a number were as substitute. He is slowly fitting into the team structure but without doing anything spectacular and needs to take further steps forward in 2025 for his career to progress. Date of Birth: 26 March 2003 Height: 182cm Games MFC 2024: 16 Career Total: 20 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 3 Games CDFC 2024: 6 Goals CDFC 2024: 1

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    2024 Player Reviews: #16 Bailey Laurie

    The clever small was unable to cement a place in the Melbourne midfield and spent most of his time this year with the Casey Demons where he finished equal fourth in its best & fairest. Date of Birth: 24 March 2002 Height: 179cm Games MFC 2024: 6 Career Total: 11 Goals MFC 2024: 2 Career Total: 2 Games CDFC 2024: 12 Goals CDFC 2024: 7

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 23

    2024 Player Reviews: #17 Jake Bowey

    Bowey’s season was curtailed early when he sustained a shoulder injury that required surgery in the opening game against Sydney. As a consequence, he was never able to perform consistently or at anywhere near his previous levels.  Date of Birth: 12 September 2002 Height: 175cm Games MFC 2024: 14 Career Total: 61 Goals MFC 2024: 0 Career Total: 6

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 7
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!
×
×
  • Create New...