Pretty much sums up the problem with us in the last 10 years, Jonesy is not gifted with talent but is prepared to work his bollocks off to get the best out of himself. Pity we don't have more of them,

Magner is showing the same just looks happy to be getting his break and doing whatever he can to mak it last putting his head over the ball going in and winning it and running to receive

Give me 18 players with that work ethic and 4 real class players and your team wont be far away from top 4 regularly. We have been overloaded with gifted players with low work ethic that will take more than 1 pre season to change

Can't have much more respect for Jonesy Love his efforts every week. Blokes like Sam blease should just sit and watch him go at the contest again and again and hopefully learn something.

will win the bluey........easily

Nothing wrong with Jonesy.

He is on board.

So true....why aren't the others trying just as hard? Fat pay cheques? Over inflated egos?

He is 23, already up to 115 games and gets better every year. Still 2-3 years before he is in his prime, and with his history of durability and form, he could crack 250 games easy by the time he is 30. Funnily enough Magner and him played with eachother in the TAC Cup as kids and they're both some of our only shining lights this season.

Love his game and his effort. He can be a bit scrappy at time but he shows a lot of heart and always has a crack.

Wish his work ethic would rub off onto his team mates, Jones, Magner, Ranga mc cannot question these guys work rate, sure don't have elite skills, still plenty of time to develop skills, if the rest of the team put in same effort I'd b a lot happier but definitely not satisfied.

Found him frustrating at times last year ("Nathan Zero Tackles Jones") - but he is showing the way this year. It feels like he's played 200 games and it's very easy to forget he's still young and that his best footy is ahead of him. He's been on a gradual but consistent learning curve through his whole career - and I think if we can manage to eek out a star somewhere along the way, Jones will make fantastic support.

Pretty much sums up the problem with us in the last 10 years, Jonesy is not gifted with talent but is prepared to work his bollocks off to get the best out of himself. Pity we don't have more of them,

Magner is showing the same just looks happy to be getting his break and doing whatever he can to mak it last putting his head over the ball going in and winning it and running to receive

Give me 18 players with that work ethic and 4 real class players and your team wont be far away from top 4 regularly. We have been overloaded with gifted players with low work ethic that will take more than 1 pre season to change

Yep. He's one of the few who wont lay down and gives it everything pretty much every week, even when we're getting hammered like yesterday. Hopefully Magner can keep up this level and improve gradually as well. Add Couch in here if he comes on a little in the next year or so. You never know. If we're gonna turn our fortunes around it has to start from the middle clearances and spread.

However, i'm not convinced our list is overloaded with gifted players as stated in your last line. Far from it really.

Free agency might be just the tonic needed for our sub par list at this point. A few new sponsors might be helpful before it kicks in though....

Heart and soul of the cluib for mine - his disposal can be ordinary at times, but he is reliable and Id like to see him run in and kick a few goals.

Hey Demonlanders. I know I don't post often though I actually just wanted to ask if anyone has heard what I did yesterday. Keep in mind this is nothing more than hearsay from a source that I've never met before and am unlikely to after.

Was sitting at the G yesterday just behind the cheersquad. There were 2 Richmond supporters behind me. Jones kicked his goal from 50 and they said "He's a great player Jones. It's not a wonder he's going at the end of the year." I turned around to ask if i'd heard that right and the response I got was that they'd heard he was going. I asked how he could possibly go because it doesn't fit with the rules that we all know about. They replied "He's out of contract. Free agency next year."

I explained the rules of free agency to them, and said that Jones hadn't played 8 or 10 seasons. We didn't recruit him at 14 years of age. One of the tigers then said well GWS can sign uncontracted players. I explained that each club could only lose one player per expansion team. (Here's where the credibility falls down...) They said Jones would be ours then, and I said we'd already lost one. They looked bewildered and I said "Scully." It dawned on them that this was true but stood firm in what they'd heard, Jones was out at years end.

I've all but dismissed this as misonformation but my interest has been piqued and I wonder if anyone else has heard such a thing? I don't get to listen to the great unfounded footy rumour mill that is SEN much anymore so I feel a little out of the loop in these things. What I did learn is that Jones' contract is up at years end and that if he were to go the best way for GWS is the pre season draft, giving no compensation.

As I said, i'm not starting a rumour, i'm just asking if anyone has heard one like it?

He has courage no doubt and is one of our hardest workers but IMO he is one of the reasons our midfield is so bad. He gets the hard ball and mostly gets caught or fluffs his disposal in congested situations because of his slow reactions. Should know by now this is not rugby and stop tucking the ball under his arm and buldozing his way out of packs with his head.

As I said, i'm not starting a rumour, i'm just asking if anyone has heard one like it?

Next time tell them to lay off the crack. None of what you said they said makes any sense.

Next time tell them to lay off the crack. None of what you said they said makes any sense.

Oh I agree, it was just unusual to hear someone so admant. For what it's worth I love Jonesy and had him pegged as captain pre season. Truth be told he's still my choice for who should be captain. (With no disrespect to the Jacks, who i'm happy with as is.)

Oh I agree, it was just unusual to hear someone so admant. For what it's worth I love Jonesy and had him pegged as captain pre season. Truth be told he's still my choice for who should be captain. (With no disrespect to the Jacks, who i'm happy with as is.)

The footy world is full to the brim of stupid people with no clue who talk complete rubbish, and those Richmond supporters are just case in point. Don't believe anything anyone says unless it's from someone who has proven trustworthy, that's my advice.

It's just a couple of blowhards, HRR.

I wouldn't give it another thought.

People invent this stuff all the time, and then palm them off as 'near-trades' when they don't happen. They even do retrospective near-trades too, like the one about Moloney and Essendon last trade week or the trade week before that - the owners of that rumour can't pinpoint which one it was they are so daft...

If it wasn't for Jones we may be below even GWS on the ladder. His efforts this year in every game have been heroic. He continues to chuck himself at the ball and into packs and to date, a rare few ever go with him. He makes mistakes, but he will be a 250 game player for the Dees. And don't worry about Tiges supporters - any comments they have on recruitment must be taken as absolute rubbish. We may have made some errors, but the Tiges made an art out of it.

I have said this before but a given our midfield woes I think this needs to be looked at more closely. At this stage Nathan Jones is perhaps our most courageous and hard at it player and always gives a 100%. But in his main role around clearances ands stoppages he is a liability and not helped because he gets the ball more than most others.Too slow to make a decision and his first instinct usually is to protect the ball. Sticks it under his arms and try's to bulldoze out packs and usually goes to ground. The consequences are the ball gets locked up, fudges his disposal or gets caught. He's so slow in making up his mind that there is always easy pressure swooping in around him. Hence clean disposals by him to advantage are a rarity. He remind me so much of Gary Ablett in the clinches but the difference is that Gary raises his head when he gets the ball and looks for an option as first instinct.

I love the guy but he's got to do more with the ball ad quicker. He's strangling our midfield at the moment.

Jones is in our top 5 players this year.

Pick on the other 40 hacks first!!!

Stupid thread.

No, absolutely barking up the wrong tree. Our losses would have been far worse without him.

He neutralises the ball often when we would would be losing the clearance. He needs support...classy support.

I have said this before but a given our midfield woes I think this needs to be looked at more closely. At this stage Nathan Jones is perhaps our most courageous and hard at it player and always gives a 100%. But in his main role around clearances ands stoppages he is a liability. Too slow to make a decision and his first instinct usually is to protect the ball. Sticks it under his arms and try's to bulldoze out packs and usually goes to ground. The consequences are the ball gets locked up, fudges his disposal or gets caught. He's so slow in making up his mind that there is always easy pressure swooping in around him. Hence clean disposals by him to advantage are a rarity. He remind me so much of Gary Ablett in the clinches but the difference is that Gary raises his head when he gets the ball and looks for an option as first instinct.

I love the guy but he's got to do more with the ball ad quicker. He's strangling our midfield at the moment.

Unfortunately on the weekend both he and Moloney had no space or time and generally just hacked the ball out of the pack without looking where they were kicking it. I guess if they had someone on the outside they would have been able to hand the ball off but at the moment we have a midfield made up of inside grunt but no outside go.

God there is a lot of rubbish spoken on this forum. If Nathan Jones has a problem it is the ineptitude around him!

I have said this before but a given our midfield woes I think this needs to be looked at more closely. At this stage Nathan Jones is perhaps our most courageous and hard at it player and always gives a 100%. But in his main role around clearances ands stoppages he is a liability and not helped because he gets the ball more than most others.Too slow to make a decision and his first instinct usually is to protect the ball. Sticks it under his arms and try's to bulldoze out packs and usually goes to ground. The consequences are the ball gets locked up, fudges his disposal or gets caught. He's so slow in making up his mind that there is always easy pressure swooping in around him. Hence clean disposals by him to advantage are a rarity. He remind me so much of Gary Ablett in the clinches but the difference is that Gary raises his head when he gets the ball and looks for an option as first instinct.

I love the guy but he's got to do more with the ball ad quicker. He's strangling our midfield at the moment.

Ok Jackie please give us a solution? Jones moves out of the midfield to where? Also who replaces Jones in the midfield because we have a platter of great players to replace Jones.

Whackie Jackie

I have said this before but a given our midfield woes I think this needs to be looked at more closely. At this stage Nathan Jones is perhaps our most courageous and hard at it player and always gives a 100%. But in his main role around clearances ands stoppages he is a liability and not helped because he gets the ball more than most others.Too slow to make a decision and his first instinct usually is to protect the ball. Sticks it under his arms and try's to bulldoze out packs and usually goes to ground. The consequences are the ball gets locked up, fudges his disposal or gets caught. He's so slow in making up his mind that there is always easy pressure swooping in around him. Hence clean disposals by him to advantage are a rarity. He remind me so much of Gary Ablett in the clinches but the difference is that Gary raises his head when he gets the ball and looks for an option as first instinct.

I love the guy but he's got to do more with the ball ad quicker. He's strangling our midfield at the moment.

So. Many. Face. Palms...

Not. Enough. Hands...eeerrgghhh. *collapses*.