My perspective is he was hardly our worst performed senior player imo

Yes Fair call, BUT he was a terrible Captain on field IMO & it hurts to say it, but it's a fact which must be addressed.

Edited October 6, 201113 yr by why you little

My perspective is he was hardly our worst performed senior player imo

He was only behind Davey in terms of output and leadership (although Davey is miles ahead for overall terrible output)

Of this year's leadership group, the two vice captains came 1st and 2nd in the B&F, Jones came in top 5 and Grimes who barely played won the leadership award.

The two glaring omissions were our two most senior leaders in Green and Davey. Now Davey was injured for much of the season and therefore was hardly going to figure in the votes (although that didn't stop Jamar or Frawley or Garland from polling well), but Green played all season and was woeful, and worst of all, his leadership was really lacking.

Of course I think he should stay on in 2012 and I believe that he will, but it has to be on our terms, and it has to be without the leadership title.

Edited October 6, 201113 yr by Jaded

Common misconception. He deserved AA, but didnt get the nod

sorry was in the 40 man squad, maybe deserved it, hard to push out stevie J ect and Lecras had a couple big years, was a solid season non the less

but Green played all season and was woeful, and worst of all, his leadership was really lacking.

Second highest goal kicker with 37 goals and most contested marks for the mighty demons in 2011 . Really woeful.

Second highest goal kicker with 37 goals and most contested marks for the mighty demons in 2011 . Really woeful.

Given the company he was surrounded by up forward, that hardly deserves recognition. Clearly the coaches who votes for the B&F agreed.

He was only behind Davey in terms of output and leadership (although Davey is miles ahead for overall terrible output)

Of this year's leadership group, the two vice captains came 1st and 2nd in the B&F, Jones came in top 5 and Grimes who barely played won the leadership award.

The two glaring omissions were our two most senior leaders in Green and Davey. Now Davey was injured for much of the season and therefore was hardly going to figure in the votes (although that didn't stop Jamar or Frawley or Garland from polling well), but Green played all season and was woeful, and worst of all, his leadership was really lacking.

Of course I think he should stay on in 2012 and I believe that he will, but it has to be on our terms, and it has to be without the leadership title.

Maybe also could suggest how important junior was to keep these 2nd level leaders UP, nad going well. Junior was mistreated nad some players didn't like it, but couldn't hamdle themselves it seems on the surface, and seemingly spat the dummy for the year. Why couldn't said players rearrange their minds to accept, & move on?

This Is where there is a Gulf missing, in Hard Headed Leadership.

Second highest goal kicker with 37 goals and most contested marks for the mighty demons in 2011 . Really woeful.

Redleg, If you think a senior player can get away with that this Year, And if you were Boss, we would be bottom 8 for another 45 Years.

Where's our culture change coming from with this sort of apologetic political correctness that keeps us warming the also rans bench.

Second highest goal kicker with 37 goals and most contested marks for the mighty demons in 2011 . Really woeful.

Unfortunately that's worse than 2010, and if you're not getting better as a player, then how can you expect to lead your Club anywhere but away from a Premiership. I'd say that Aaron Davey, Brad Green, Cale Morton, Lynden Dunn and (for obvious reasons) Austin Wonaeamirri are the only players who played considerably worse this year than last year, and you can reasonably expect the heat to be put most intensely on these players. The fact that Brad Green is also our Captain only compounds his abject failure this year. If the buck stops with the Coach, the bell must surely toll for the Captain, too.

Unfortunately that's worse than 2010, and if you're not getting better as a player, then how can you expect to lead your Club anywhere but away from a Premiership. I'd say that Aaron Davey, Brad Green, Cale Morton, Lynden Dunn and (for obvious reasons) Austin Wonaeamirri are the only players who played considerably worse this year than last year, and you can reasonably expect the heat to be put most intensely on these players. The fact that Brad Green is also our Captain only compounds his abject failure this year. If the buck stops with the Coach, the bell must surely toll for the Captain, too.

Fair play, but the Captain is only asked to help execute the coaches game plan on the paddock. There's every possibility that Brad could thrive under a new coach and game plan.

Saying that, I think he should not lead the team next year as Captain.

Second highest goal kicker with 37 goals and most contested marks for the mighty demons in 2011 . Really woeful.

By my reckoning (with the help of footywire) he kicked 20 goals in games against Essendon (4), Fremantle (5), Richmond (3), Hawthorn (4), and Gold Coast (4). And then 17 goals in the other 16 games.

And he only cracked 20 possies 3 times in 2011...

But that isn't my gripe - we all know he can play good footy as his 2010 was superb (9 20+possie games, 9 three goal or more games), my gripe is with his pathetic body language and his seemingly lack of desire to do something as basic as the before game/half time rev up (Brent Moloney does it).

And people may say "so what if he let's Brent do that?" and I would try to point out that in a team atmosphere like that, it is important for THE leader to be seen to be THE leader.

Added to that is the embarrassing interviews after awful losses with nervous laughs and terrible little deflective jokes.

Any update on Green's contract?

Seems somewhat odd actually given the timewe're in , i.e trade week, that theres no pick up in the media of Brad's out of contract status. Normally theyd home in on such a juicy morsel. Very strange, not a word from anyone or anywhere..Its like it exists in a different football dimension.

Seems somewhat odd actually given the timewe're in , i.e trade week, that theres no pick up in the media of Brad's out of contract status. Normally theyd home in on such a juicy morsel. Very strange, not a word from anyone or anywhere..Its like it exists in a different football dimension.

Exactly BB.

It is strange, perhaps they are waiting to see how much money is left after trade week.

Brad may be hoping the dees do not pick up anyone expensive.

Now I am in the realm of fantasy

Exactly BB.

It is strange, perhaps they are waiting to see how much money is left after trade week.

Brad may be hoping the dees do not pick up anyone expensive.

Now I am in the realm of fantasy

Given we are Victorian....its a "Mexican" stand-off of sorts perhaps.

What our ( mfc) fall bak position then, surely not to delist as he must then walk into draft.

its very strange

Happy for him to stay , provided the right attitude and a dose of reality. He is a good ( ne very good ) player on his day, when unencumbered.

Given we are Victorian....its a "Mexican" stand-off of sorts perhaps.

What our ( mfc) fall bak position then, surely not to delist as he must then walk into draft.

its very strange

Happy for him to stay , provided the right attitude and a dose of reality. He is a good ( ne very good ) player on his day, when unencumbered.

starting to look like cameron bruce all over again...................

we get nothing and a bad taste in the mouth

doesn't look good when your captain holds out this long and late

Really surprised that this hasn't been thrashed out it is looking the way of Bruce last year.

No doubt we'll find out what is going to happen I hope we keep him.

How many others are yet to be signed?

After 2011 maybe the Board and new coaching staff do not rate his ability too highly....after the season just gone it isn't that suprising.

He put in a shocker. Let's be brutally honest.

Make no mistake here - Brad Green is head and shoulders above all the players that I've read are said to be on the table at the moment from other clubs. He was essentially AA last year. And he's a life long Demon.

Sign him up asap.

Looking back over Brads career at our club, the majority of his injuries have resulted from collisions which in-turn have resulted from keeping his eye on the footy.

That said, I have no fear in giving him a two year contract because I think he has the body to absorb another two years of hard AFL footy. If it is this 1 year only rubbish that is the sticking point in re-signing Brad then I will be very disappointed.

I've said before that he should not be Captain next year but by gee, I want him out there kicking goals.

Get it sorted out now please fella's.

I want Brad to stay on in 2012 as well, but lets be honest, his best game for the club is still the Qual Final of 2000.

Our new coach would be looking closely at Brad, as to where his best fit is.

The leadership group let down our last coach. Neeld will want to make sure that doesn't happen again.

I want Brad to stay on in 2012 as well, but lets be honest, his best game for the club is still the Qual Final of 2000.

Our new coach would be looking closely at Brad, as to where his best fit is.

The leadership group let down our last coach. Neeld will want to make sure that doesn't happen again.

And that's a problem. If your best game was last millenium, you won't have much bargaining power. Brad Green should come to terms with the fact that job security is not a given for a professional athlete at the best of times - and that the best way to ensure another contract is at the selection table, not the bargaining table.

Correct in all ways.

A problem for Brad, in the vein of how one goes about self valuing and as a result negotiatiing is that two things have happened in diametrically opposing directions since the last contract tete a tete.

On one hand we have Brads own form going somewhat backwards and Melbourne as a savyy professional organisation have taken big strides forward.

Someones had a rude awakening me thinks.

a one year deal will be signed next week.

a one year deal will be signed next week.

Guesstimation ? Speculation ? Knowledge ? Tomato or BBQ ?