WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - JACK VINEY

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Alternately he comes out and says.

"Yeah looking forward to getting to the dees and putting on the red and blue at the club the old man captained".....goodbye pick 3.

[Demon Forever 219]

It's all just a bit of brinkmanship, Viney will be a Demon, have no doubt.

GC don't need another 18 year old mid-fielder, they're set in that department.

We've got picks 3 and 4 and other than Viney we're not going for any more kiddies, they'll be used as bait to secure players from other clubs still under contract

This

Sounds like a very likely scenario.

Pick 4 would be good bait to lure a player like Dawes as well

Pick 4 for the Dawes. That's a [censored] for brains comment

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Herald sun office today....

'Any trade news?'

'Nah not yet'

' Ok run a story kicking melbourne in the guts till we get something'

um noooo it is directly quoting him

[Redleg 40,889]

Think...why would Mark Stevens suddenly have access to young Jack?

He didn't, Jay Clark did. Your point is well made however.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Alternately he comes out and says.

"Yeah looking forward to getting to the dees and putting on the red and blue at the club the old man captained".....goodbye pick 3.

or hello 'go home factor' doubt cemented in the mind of GWS/GC

possibly transparent but still

[Redleg 40,889]

Good on you Jack have faith in your ability and throw a spanner in the works, Gold Coast & Gws can now think along the lines of Melbourne may have told Viney we wont take you at 3, so be prepared to go north if they really want you.

No the ball is in the Suns & Giants court do they take the risk

Many on here slated the club for the way they played out the Scully saga, but in hindsight it was perfectly orchestrated and we ended up with the same compensation as the Cats did for the best player in the AFL

Agree. Looks to readers like he is a bit [censored] with the club, because they haven't guaranteed to take him and he is telling them take me or lose me. Throws the cat among the pigeons.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

or hello 'go home factor' doubt cemented in the mind of GWS/GC

possibly transparent but still

There would be outcries of draft tampering and invetsigations by the AFL is that was a public statement.

If the clubs believe the kid, then it removes the element of game playing.

[45HG 1,539]

All this says to me is that the club is trying a tactic of distancing itself from Viney.

The result of which leaves Viney saying that he will go wherever he ends up and that, by extension, the Dees won't pick him at #3.

Given he's rated (from what I've heard) between 5-9, I think that this is an attempt by the club to make other clubs think we'd let him go to them if they bid.

[Brayshaw Self 847]

If Jack himself doesn't even think we will take him at 3, then Gold Coast and GWS will have NFI and won't risk losing a top 2 pick. Simple as that.

[Swooper 255]

All this says to me is that the club is trying a tactic of distancing itself from Viney.

The result of which leaves Viney saying that he will go wherever he ends up and that, by extension, the Dees won't pick him at #3.

Given he's rated (from what I've heard) between 5-9, I think that this is an attempt by the club to make other clubs think we'd let him go to them if they bid.

Have to say I agree with you. There is nothing to be gained from committing to him. Effectively he is saying if the MFC pass him up he is there for a GWS/GC. Do they really want him that bad??!!

[45HG 1,539]

Very odd give the supposed mind games we all assumed the club was playing. You would think they would inform Jack, and Todd for that matter, how they want it handled, because this seems to fly in the face of what we thought was going on.

This article doesn't fly in the face of what we think is going on.

What we all think is going on is that the club are trying to get Viney in the second round.

Do you honestly think it'd have been preferable for his dad to make the statement "we'll take Jack, regardless!"?

I think this is attempting to make up for the mess we got ourselves in when we announced we'd committed to him all those years ago - we've now got to show ourselves as distant and non-commital to the kid.

[Forest Demon 4,681]

This article doesn't fly in the face of what we think is going on.

What we all think is going on is that the club are trying to get Viney in the second round.

Do you honestly think it'd have been preferable for his dad to make the statement "we'll take Jack, regardless!"?

I think this is attempting to make up for the mess we got ourselves in when we announced we'd committed to him all those years ago - we've now got to show ourselves as distant and non-commital to the kid.

I wasn't questioning anything Todd had said, just what Jack has just said, under the assumption Todd and the club would have informed him how to handle media questioning.

I think that what the club has been saying so far has been consistent with trying to get him to the second round, but these quotes by Jack himself baffle me a little, as they do nothing but tempt Gold Coast to pick him by saying he will be 100% committed to them etc. But as you pointed out in your earlier post, perhaps they have distanced themselves from Jack entirely to make it seem we are unsure of taking him.

Edited October 4, 2012 by Forest Demon

[Axis of Bob 11,784]

We signed Viney on contract because Adelaide were trying to get him via the mini-draft last year. He was eligible and we convinced him to come to us, so he signed a contract.

GC and GWS don't really get much for nominating Viney - just elevate their 2nd round picks one spot higher in the draft. The risk that they take is that they end up with Viney instead of another player that they have their eyes on. For such a small reward, it's hardly worth them nominating Viney if there is any risk at all that they may get him - provided that they don't rate him at 1 or 2.

With Viney saying that he will make Melbourne regret not picking him, he is telling GC and GWS that there is a real risk that he will play for them.

If there is a risk, then the reward is not great enough for them nominate him ....... unless they rate him as the best or second best player in the draft (which, however, is a real possibility).

The risk of us not taking him are slim, but the reward for GC and GWS is very small.

The alternative is to play the game some are advocating. That is to get Viney to come out and tell GC and GWS that he doesn't want to go there and will walk out on them after 2 years. Something that transparent just tells them that the risk of us not selecting Viney is zero.

I'd love to play poker against some of the panic merchants on here.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

the club is trying a tactic of distancing itself from Viney.

what, are he and the old man sitting at opposite ends of the dinner table?

[drdrake 3,163]

Why? He'd know what the games are about, how real they are etc. I don't think he'd be 'frustrated'. There are several interpretations, some canvassed in this thread as to why he'd say that without being frustrated by how the MFC has treated him.

Some posters (not necessarily DrD -haven't followed his) seem to think the MFC is incompetent at everything just because we have been so on the field.

No I think the mfc list management and recruiting team are incompetent because their recent track record shows they are and until we can build a list that can win matches that is my position.

[Allen Jakovich 516]

GWS and Gold Coast won't bid; GWS wouldn't risk missing Whitfield/Grundy and GC will need to hold on to pick 2 for a possible Tippett deal - stress less.

This.

It's all just smoke and mirrors.

We'll get in him the second round.

[Brayshaw Self 847]

Right now, GWS and GC are thinking: '[censored], Jack's been told that the Dees probably won't take him with pick 3. No way I'm risking letting them have Grundy/Toumpas/whoever.'

This is just what we want.

[damon the demon 57]

Everyone calm down. It's a bluff, so that GC don't nominate him. So obvious the club has told him to say this. I feel though GC know it's a bluff and will call it, so we'll just have to use pick 3. There is NO WAY this club would risk not picking him then watch him slaughter us each time we play. This club knows it would kill each and every supporter to see that. The FD are fans too, they are all romantics and fanatics like us (probably worse). This club may not survive Jack Viney playing elsewhere. The FD know this. Don't worry folks, he'll play for us next year.

[McQueen 17,864]

With Viney saying that he will make Melbourne regret not picking him, he is telling GC and GWS that there is a real risk that he will play for them.

If there is a risk, then the reward is not great enough for them nominate him ....... unless they rate him as the best or second best player in the draft (which, however, is a real possibility).

The risk of us not taking him are slim, but the reward for GC and GWS is very small.

This explains it very well.

Thanks.

[45HG 1,539]

what, are he and the old man sitting at opposite ends of the dinner table?

Todd Viney is not the MFC. Do you reckon Todd would recruit Jack even if the rest of the club were dead against it?

The problem the club has is that the clubs up north know that if they bid for Jack, we'll pull the trigger. We need to try our best to make it seem that we won't select him if they do bid - that's what this article is. Hopefully it's enough, I'm not convinced that it will be.

[olisik 4,060]

Quick question, when is Viney officially allowed to start training with us. Can he start when the rest of the boys come back or does he need to wait until after the ND?

[Maric Legend 0]

I would prefer Wines at #3

and Viney at #26

This whole issue is the difference between getting 1 gun inside mid.......or 2

Another quick question:

Why is it that if we don't have to use pick 3 on Viney, we get him with Pick 26?

I thought if someone bids Pick 6-12 on him, we would have to use our next pick, pick 13?

[jnrmac 20,058]

You're kidding aren't you? I am not worried by the article, but super impressed!

The guy is a professional footballer first, not a lackey for the MFC. He is also only 18. He is saying that he wants to come to the MFC NOW, but if he doesn't, he will play his heart out for whoever has the faith in him. If every player was actually secretly hatching a plan to come to the club they barracked for as a kid (or that their Dad played at) before they even kicked an AFL ball in anger, that would be far greater cause for concern.

I also object to the title saying he has threatened us. Not at all. He is saying he will offer his loyalty to whoever offers it to him.

Nah I'm not kidding, We have had this guy training with us for 2 years, got him games at Casey. Would fully expect that he has been coached in what to say and yet he comes out with this. Its disturbing.

I guess the chronology would be we nominate him as a F/S and if GC offers pick 2 for him we then have to decide whether to offer our first pick, pick 3. We could decline to do that and GC wins him.

Daniher is clearly rated above Jack so why wouldn't GC pick him instead of Jack?

Methinks there are a lot of mind games going on but still disturbed by Jacks quoted comments.

[45HG 1,539]

Another quick question:

Why is it that if we don't have to use pick 3 on Viney, we get him with Pick 26?

I thought if someone bids Pick 6-12 on him, we would have to use our next pick, pick 13?

Pick 13 is our compensation pick - as far as I'm aware, compensation picks can't be used on F/S selections.

[45HG 1,539]

Would fully expect that he has been coached in what to say and yet he comes out with this. Its disturbing.

So, why do you assume that he wasn't coached to say what he did in the article?

Seems a little bit selective to me.