Gameday - Melbourne v St Kilda

[old dee 22,966]

It is all very simple guys.

We do not have the cattle

You cannot pull your socks up if you don't have on.

Another 5 years of mediocrity is ahead

[NC MFC 0]

Any idea how long Tapscott will be out?

[Outside fifty 967]

I know that it's been said before but I will reiterate. For all the doom and gloom posted on these sights there are encouraging signs. At no point today did I doubt the teams effort.Yes the individual efforts of Davey and Newton were embarrassing, but the debut of Evans was a beaut. Stef Martin continues to develop nicely as does Jordie Gysberts. Jack Watts is really starting to deliver on what he promised and Nev Jetta was also good today, perhaps a break out game? Docklands has been a grave yard for our forward line forever. Its seem as though our FD has no effective strategy to combat the congestion and really struggles to formulate a game plan. The reality is most of those senior players who failed to stand up and show leadership today wont be part of our team going forward because they lack leadership we require of them, that is indeed why we pursued a youth policy in the first place. In a couple of years our leadership group will consist of Trengove, Scully , Mckenzie, Watts ,Frawley, Tapscott Gysbert and Grimes. That my friends is a daunting line up. Add to that some outstanding talent being nurtured at Casey such as Howe, Blease, Cook, MacDonald, Gawn and maybe Strauss and the future doesn't look to bad.

[hellraiser 0]

Why can't they kick to a set shot instead of bombing it to a pack in the goal square every f------ time ???????

[deesdees 0]

I have been over seas for this season (currently London ) and I am getting sick of wasting my time listening to the game at all hours of the morning just to see us lose, then read the same passionate threads of disappointment on demonland. We as supporters have so much heart for this club, to here that players are playing with no motivation or lack of intensity really gets me mad.

I arrive back in oz on queens birthday and can't wait for the game. I'll be there with my heart Mfc you better bloody bring yours

[Demon Dynasty 15,865]

Two poor first half efforts from Newton were taken straight up the other end for goals; the second one he missed from 10m. Kosi hasn't cost them a goal yet.

Though I agree what you say about effort compared to the others, though I thought MacDonald's been OK.

McDonald: Tried hard and and did a few good things first half. Went missing after that and decision making/awareness at this level poor. As much as i liked his effort first half, if that's the best he can do.... Trade time.

Bater: Enough said. Probably trade time.

Davey: Casey. Then bring him out towards last 3 - 4 rounds to put a show on as trade bait. Need a solid forward....desssssparately!!

Newton: Too slight to hold down a key forward position and if the balls being bombed he's not even capable of creating a contest. Same in the ruck....he's a liability there. As to why Bailey moves him there (especially straight after kicking a much needed goal at one point, i'll never know). Is only good on the lead but then so is Jurrah. Trade or delist time (permanently!).

Jurrah: Leading is about all he's doing at the moment, on occasions (and yes doing it well ...when he wants to...along with tackling/chasing...when he feels like it). Time for some extra fitness work i think if he's not up to playing out the 4 quarters with some gusto. Not sure whether Casey would help. Needs a Mentor maybe (Not Davey!)

Petterd: Pretty average at best. For that output he would need to have an accuracy rate of 90% - 100% in front of goal. Aint gonna happen obviously.

Martin: Again, tries hard in ruck and probably holds his own for the first half of football. Downhill after that. Easily jostled out of the contests one on one and has no idea in aerial contests or once the ball hits the ground. Panicks in general play if he gets possession too when the heat is on (not alone here though). Not sure whether any alternatives are ready for a shot from Casey....but not much to lose here. Maybe use as a sub for 2nd half of games until the big russian returns. Or alternatively leave him up forward to see if he's capable as a big marking forward option given that our options up there atm are Zilch.

Bartram: Gets plenty of it but i understand why opposition doesn't bother with him in terms of manning up on him when they dont have the ball. His decision making and finish is some of the worst i've seen at AFL level. Passable at VFL level. Always looking for the cheap kick backwards to an easy unmarked opponent as first option (in most cases). Direct cause of so much pain the other way (turnover wise and placing needless pressure on our other backman through poor choices/delivery/panick hand balls etc). Looks ok when all is well and under NO pressure at all. Either play him as a mosquito forward to crumb and kick goals.....or trade time.

Apart from a few select efforts, and a poor showing from a shadow of a team in the Saints (reiwoldt excluded), we would have been smashed by any team 8 and above after half time today IMO.

Although ravaged with injury, i really haven't seen anything (on a consistent basis over 3 years and 8 matches now) that shows me that Bailey has the ability/processes/systems in place to motivate the boys and find the spirit/tenacity we would need (among so many other things....eg., holding the ball in our forward line by creating forward pressure inside our 50 for more than just an odd game here or there) if we are to move these players, and they're to move themselves (and a whole bunch of regulars once they return), to the next level. And to the next level i mean a step up to finals standard football. And that's just lower part of the 8 finals standard, let alone finishing in the top 4.

Jones was outstanding and i'd hate to think where we may have finished were he injured (Lucifer forbid!). Moloney wasn't at his best but gave his all for 4 quarters as did Chip. Sylvia and Warnock were up and about for most of the game but imo opinion slightly below par performance wise given their experience/what's expected. Maric was super in the first half. Chip was solid given the amount of pressure placed on him time & time again. Green tried hard but for some reason Bailey is unwilling to have faith and leave him in the goal square for more than 5 - 10 minutes at a time. Has lost his range (just) outside 50 now. Great efforts but not as damaging or effective up the ground when moved there.

First half admirable efforts from Watts, Jetta, Gysberts, Rivers, Macdonald and Evans (good effort son for first game!).

Next 3 weeks looking even uglier than the first 8 (Adelaide the one exception....still!).

P.S. Was that Jones (subconsciously maybe) sticking his hand up today saying "If the Captaincy's up for grabs...i'll take it!!"... ??

Edited May 21, 2011 by Rusty Nails

[Striker475 696]

Seems like a 4QT effort at least. And when you consider what would be our best 22, we are missing Jamar, Scully, Trengove, Tapscott, Bail, Garland, Dunn (though him in the 22...) and possibly Wonna.

[Al`s DEMONS 0]

we had watts bate jurrah juice green petterd and maric rotating through the forward line and we still lacked structure.

[Al`s DEMONS 0]

simple things like one go for the mark and one stay down, under 11`s stuff. injurys are not an excuse saints were terrible as well, kosi needs to retire, a better coach with the same players today would have got a differant result

[jackaub 1,402]

I don't think they lack heart. They just look like they don't know what to do. They battle so hard to get to a critical point in the game - this week, they level the scores halfway through the third quarter after being behind all day - and then ... what the hell do we do now? Their "player development" coaching doesn't equip them for what needs to come next.

BLAME THE COACH!!!!!!

[jackaub 1,402]

simple things like one go for the mark and one stay down, under 11`s stuff. injurys are not an excuse saints were terrible as well, kosi needs to retire, a better coach with the same players today would have got a differant result

Davey Cost us the game This was winnable

If he plays next week Bailey is a two times weak [censored]

[jackaub 1,402]

It is all very simple guys.

We do not have the cattle

You cannot pull your socks up if you don't have on.

Another 5 years of mediocrity is ahead

SO mate what about all the draft picks?

Have we drafted or have we wasted?

[jackaub 1,402]

It is all very simple guys.

We do not have the cattle

You cannot pull your socks up if you don't have on.

Another 5 years of mediocrity is ahead

SO mate what about all the draft picks?

Have we drafted or have we wasted?

Ohh nobody wants to address the problems

[jackaub 1,402]

McDonald: Tried hard and and did a few good things first half. Went missing after that and decision making/awareness at this level poor. As much as i liked his effort first half, if that's the best he can do.... Trade time.

Bater: Enough said. Probably trade time.

Davey: Casey. Then bring him out towards last 3 - 4 rounds to put a show on as trade bait. Need a solid forward....desssssparately!!

Newton: Too slight to hold down a key forward position and if the balls being bombed he's not even capable of creating a contest. Same in the ruck....he's a liability there. As to why Bailey moves him there (especially straight after kicking a much needed goal at one point, i'll never know). Is only good on the lead but then so is Jurrah. Trade or delist time (permanently!).

Jurrah: Leading is about all he's doing at the moment, on occasions (and yes doing it well ...when he wants to...along with tackling/chasing...when he feels like it). Time for some extra fitness work i think if he's not up to playing out the 4 quarters with some gusto. Not sure whether Casey would help. Needs a Mentor maybe (Not Davey!)

Petterd: Pretty average at best. For that output he would need to have an accuracy rate of 90% - 100% in front of goal. Aint gonna happen obviously.

Martin: Again, tries hard in ruck and probably holds his own for the first half of football. Downhill after that. Easily jostled out of the contests one on one and has no idea in aerial contests or once the ball hits the ground. Panicks in general play if he gets possession too when the heat is on (not alone here though). Not sure whether any alternatives are ready for a shot from Casey....but not much to lose here. Maybe use as a sub for 2nd half of games until the big russian returns. Or alternatively leave him up forward to see if he's capable as a big marking forward option given that our options up there atm are Zilch.

It was so obvious the game was up for grabs

NOBODY stood up

Untiall somebody d

we hav wasted another opportunity we will be he standing joke of the AFL The media have treated us well this season

SACK BAILEY! Mkake the over aid senior players accountable. Deduct from the salary save money ad give it to players who have a go

Bartram: Gets plenty of it but i understand why opposition doesn't bother with him in terms of manning up on him when they dont have the ball. His decision making and finish is some of the worst i've seen at AFL level. Passable at VFL level. Always looking for the cheap kick backwards to an easy unmarked opponent as first option (in most cases). Direct cause of so much pain the other way (turnover wise and placing needless pressure on our other backman through poor choices/delivery/panick hand balls etc). Looks ok when all is well and under NO pressure at all. Either play him as a mosquito forward to crumb and kick goals.....or trade time.

Apart from a few select efforts, and a poor showing from a shadow of a team in the Saints (reiwoldt excluded), we would have been smashed by any team 8 and above after half time today IMO.

Although ravaged with injury, i really haven't seen anything (on a consistent basis over 3 years and 8 matches now) that shows me that Bailey has the ability/processes/systems in place to motivate the boys and find the spirit/tenacity we would need (among so many other things....eg., holding the ball in our forward line by creating forward pressure inside our 50 for more than just an odd game here or there) if we are to move these players, and they're to move themselves (and a whole bunch of regulars once they return), to the next level. And to the next level i mean a step up to finals standard football. And that's just lower part of the 8 finals standard, let alone finishing in the top 4.

Jones was outstanding and i'd hate to think where we may have finished were he injured (Lucifer forbid!). Moloney wasn't at his best but gave his all for 4 quarters as did Chip. Sylvia and Warnock were up and about for most of the game but imo opinion slightly below par performance wise given their experience/what's expected. Maric was super in the first half. Chip was solid given the amount of pressure placed on him time & time again. Green tried hard but for some reason Bailey is unwilling to have faith and leave him in the goal square for more than 5 - 10 minutes at a time. Has lost his range (just) outside 50 now. Great efforts but not as damaging or effective up the ground when moved there.

First half admirable efforts from Watts, Jetta, Gysberts, Rivers, Macdonald and Evans (good effort son for first game!).

Next 3 weeks looking even uglier than the first 8 (Adelaide the one exception....still!).

P.S. Was that Jones (subconsciously maybe) sticking his hand up today saying "If the Captaincy's up for grabs...i'll take it!!"... ??

[Hardnut 327]

Enough of the excuses/blame - injuries or not, today showed we have a good young list who need off-field leadership and clear, on-field plans - time for a coach who can provide a simple, effective plan - other clubs have done it successfully, time for mfc to act and procure the coaching staff we need!

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,099]

Seems like a 4QT effort at least. And when you consider what would be our best 22, we are missing Jamar, Scully, Trengove, Tapscott, Bail, Garland, Dunn (though him in the 22...) and possibly Wonna.

We had a crack for 3, but I thought we were woeful in the last 1/4 and pretty much packed it in when the game was there to be won.

[jackaub 1,402]

We had a crack for 3, but I thought we were woeful in the last 1/4 and pretty much packed it in when the game was there to be won.

That game was winnable The team in their own ways cose not to win it

The players did all they could not to win it

No excuses no injuriy problems no OH were are so young!!

The club is weak the culture is weak the Coach is weakWe obviousley need to start again Jesusw!!!!!

[old dee 22,966]

SO mate what about all the draft picks?

Have we drafted or have we wasted?

Ohh nobody wants to address the problems

They are all kids that could take another 2 - 3 years before we know if they are the goods.

In the mean time the established players are not good enough.

Even before the injuries started mounting we were crap

We simply are not good enough.

We can make all the excuses we like.

If you consistantly lose there is only one reason

Not good enough.

[rpfc 27,611]

That game was winnable The team in their own ways cose not to win it

The players did all they could not to win it

No excuses no injuriy problems no OH were are so young!!

The club is weak the culture is weak the Coach is weakWe obviousley need to start again Jesusw!!!!!

They 'chose' not to win it?!

What does that mean?

Our senior players are anything but and our talent are still in their nappies.

They gave a decent effort which is a step forward, and considering we were never going to win the flag this year - I simply want a series of positive steps forward toward our flag push.

Your excitable declaration that we need to 'start again' is utter BS.