Pretty much sums up for me the problem with our leadership at the moment

Davey talks about full credit to North , we have to do this we need 4 quaters of effort blah blah blah.

I loved Frawley's honest assesment , hate Davey's cliches

had a gutful of players talking about what we have to do

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/114097/default.aspx

Edited May 17, 201114 yr by Bates Mate

Agree. If the club had any sense they would ban all player I/Vs and twitters and get them to make their football talk for them instead.

when chip spoke, i thught he was relaying what Bailey had said?

Do you seriously think the players gave up? I don't.

As for Davey's cliches, virtually every football player relies on them so they don't say anything that causes negative waves.

When they avoid the cliches, they get panned for saying the wrong thing.

A-HA !!!

No...we're not about to sing along to Norwegian pop. But we do it seems have amongst the midst at Melbourne...an honest football player. That being Chip Frawley. we also know who is a paid up member of the "Deelusionals"

Here we have one over paid , over inflated player bemoaning the audacity of his younger brethren ( though not a brother ) to actually call a spade a spade ( hmm..that might read a little tacky..lol ) Frawley knows whats going on , Davey obviously has his head stuck somewhere...lets say...in the sand !!

Im sensing not is all well at Melbourne. You can see it on the ground. Not everyone is playing for everyone else. There's disinterest in some. A going through-the-motion-esque treatment of the game.

Geez Aaron I hope you didnt take Frawleys comments too much to heart, or too personally !!

Its obviously breaking the 'code' to actually suggest that players dont always try their hardest.

Thanks Chip for your forthright frankness. And thanks Aaron for releiving us of any ambiguity as to where your playing standards are now set.

Im truly disappointed .

Agree. If the club had any sense they would ban all player I/Vs and twitters and get them to make their football talk for them instead.

Yeh, I can't work out how the club allows it. It's always going to be trouble.

Do you seriously think the players gave up? I don't.

As for Davey's cliches, virtually every football player relies on them so they don't say anything that causes negative waves.

When they avoid the cliches, they get panned for saying the wrong thing.

To me no 2nd & 3rd efforts, hard running both ways, waiting for someone else to do it is the same as giving up. There were definatley players not giving 100% against North.

Do you seriously think the players gave up? I don't.

As for Davey's cliches, virtually every football player relies on them so they don't say anything that causes negative waves.

When they avoid the cliches, they get panned for saying the wrong thing.

They certainly didn't try very hard then.

To me no 2nd & 3rd efforts, hard running both ways, waiting for someone else to do it is the same as giving up. There were definatley players not giving 100% against North.

This absolutely the case. And its something reluctantly we have to watch our lads do ( or dont).

Players only have to back off a little for the chasm to widen by a lot.

Players should be put on performance based contracts. They get paid a lot of money to do a job, and they still get paid despite poor performances. If most people went to their job and didn't do it properly, they would get into a heap of strife (pay cut, fired etc). Footballers are in a luxurious position where they can still get paid if when they perform poorly. It is especially worse at a club lacking depth, because the threat of being demoted to the seconds is less relevant.

If we had PFC, the game - and at least our team - would be better.

They should stop playing the game Quarter by Quarter and have a go at playing Contest by Contest and Disposal by Disposal.

The Quarters will take care of themselves as should the result.

On an allied subject we ( the club ) now face, possibly, the prospect that a malaise of "comfort" may settle into the ranks. By this I refer to the notion that due to our deepening injuries there are , and will be , players who might have been facing relegation but now will in all likelyhood find themselves realtively safe in selection.

This can have diasterous effects. Some may feel they neednt even take the foot off...as they dont have to plant it quite so much in the first place.

I await the barrrage of...oh you dont know players.. AFL dont think like this... etc etc etc..

Reality is players are human and some arent as driven as others. There are lazy players. And there are some with tickets on themselves ( that read...cant get rid of me...oh no no no NO !! )

But none of this probaly exists really...hey Aaron ?

Players should be put on performance based contracts. They get paid a lot of money to do a job, and they still get paid despite poor performances. If most people went to their job and didn't do it properly, they would get into a heap of strife (pay cut, fired etc). Footballers are in a luxurious position where they can still get paid if when they perform poorly. It is especially worse at a club lacking depth, because the threat of being demoted to the seconds is less relevant.

If we had PFC, the game - and at least our team - would be better.

I posed a question in another thread whether or not front-loading contracts acted as a disincentive to perform. Because they get paid more in the first year but less in the following years just as you would expect their peformance to be improving.

He's right, we did not give up just played shite

Players should be put on performance based contracts. They get paid a lot of money to do a job, and they still get paid despite poor performances. If most people went to their job and didn't do it properly, they would get into a heap of strife (pay cut, fired etc). Footballers are in a luxurious position where they can still get paid if when they perform poorly. It is especially worse at a club lacking depth, because the threat of being demoted to the seconds is less relevant.

If we had PFC, the game - and at least our team - would be better.

It's the one thing I like about soccer contracts. Appearance fees I know we have, but there's things like Team of the Year bonuses over there (so an All-Australian bonus), goal bonuses (which is different for here because of more goals obviously, but still possible), clean sheet bonuses (for goalkeepers) - maybe a below x score bonus for a player/team?

That said, money can't be the only motivation, it won't work for everyone.

I also prefered Frawley's more honest assessment than Davey's fluff piece. Rather he said nothing but I realise they have media commitments

Edited May 17, 201114 yr by Ascobar

Do you seriously think the players gave up? I don't.

As for Davey's cliches, virtually every football player relies on them so they don't say anything that causes negative waves.

When they avoid the cliches, they get panned for saying the wrong thing.

Rogue I don't think they gave up.

I think it is a lot more simple than that.

Just not good enough

One team was good enough in 2010

The Dees were a long way off.

In 2011 we are still not good enough.

We have a number of players that cannot make the standard for 100+ minutes most weeks.

IMO no amount berateing etc will change that fact.

Hopefully A few of the young draftees will improve and show the way in the next few years.

But until then we have a lot more misery to endure.

unfortunately another "melbourne" year lies ahead.

He's right, we did not give up just played shite

YES

Sorry Flash, i am in Chip's corner for this one.

Although i do concede you had to put a positive spin within the article.

Walk the Walk please. The MFC has done so much for you so far.

Rogue I don't think they gave up.

I think it is a lot more simple than that.

Just not good enough

One team was good enough in 2010

The Dees were a long way off.

In 2011 we are still not good enough.

We have a number of players that cannot make the standard for 100+ minutes most weeks.

IMO no amount berateing etc will change that fact.

Hopefully A few of the young draftees will improve and show the way in the next few years.

But until then we have a lot more misery to endure.

unfortunately another "melbourne" year lies ahead.

What a bunch of self-defeatist crap! You don't think they're good enough to beat North Melbourne? Of course they are. If they put in the repeated efforts they did against the Crows they could beat almost anyone and even if they didn't at least they could say they gave it their best.

That's the problem, fans can cop losing but they can't cop not giving it their best. And it was obvious after quarter time on Saturday the players turned it up (for whatever reason) which is what Chip referred to.

What a bunch of self-defeatist crap! You don't think they're good enough to beat North Melbourne? Of course they are. If they put in the repeated efforts they did against the Crows they could beat almost anyone and even if they didn't at least they could say they gave it their best.

That's the problem, fans can cop losing but they can't cop not giving it their best. And it was obvious after quarter time on Saturday the players turned it up (for whatever reason) which is what Chip referred to.

Now I know Aaron is not an unintelleigent lad. he does himself a great dis-service should he begin to think that the 10's of thousands in the stands and watching the box cant see when players start behaving badly !!

Theres absolutely no point trying to dress it up as anything other than it is..that is.. a substandard effort

we're not blind !!! ffs

come on the boys and DB are doing a grear job

Pretty much sums up for me the problem with our leadership at the moment

Davey talks about full credit to North , we have to do this we need 4 quaters of effort blah blah blah.

I loved Frawley's honest assesment , hate Davey's cliches

had a gutful of players talking about what we have to do

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/114097/default.aspx

Spot on BM.

Even Paul Roos said last night that the Dees had to "stop talking and START DOING". Something has to happen one way or another cause I dont want to sit through another season with this sort of sh!t happening every 2nd week. I dont care we have injuries, this was a problem before that. Make a stand (and make it last more than one week).

Just start DOING ffs.

Can we offload Davey to GWS?

On an allied subject we ( the club ) now face, possibly, the prospect that a malaise of "comfort" may settle into the ranks. By this I refer to the notion that due to our deepening injuries there are , and will be , players who might have been facing relegation but now will in all likelyhood find themselves realtively safe in selection.

This can have diasterous effects. Some may feel they neednt even take the foot off...as they dont have to plant it quite so much in the first place.

I await the barrrage of...oh you dont know players.. AFL dont think like this... etc etc etc..

Reality is players are human and some arent as driven as others. There are lazy players. And there are some with tickets on themselves ( that read...cant get rid of me...oh no no no NO !! )

But none of this probaly exists really...hey Aaron ?

I agree what you have put forward is very plausible... i hope not but is

But i also think that it obviously gives those who may not have been given a chance the opportunity, and therefore these players may put in 2X the effort... really dig deep etc, and will put pressure back on spots in a month or so....

It may become a two way street with this theory

A few players could have done with a look in the mirror down at the Casey dressing rooms and you are right they will get a game in the near future due to injuries