Harrington and our window

[rpfc 27,693]

Harrington's list expectations

He mentions an ideal experience of AFL games played for flag winning team of around 130 games.

Right now our best 22 would be around the 66-68 game mark, and I left out a few kids who could have been considered in flag team.

So we are at least 3 years away from that. 4 or 5 if you believe Green, Moloney, Rivers, MacDonald and Jones aren't going to be there.

2013/2014?

Everyone comprehend that?

[DemonWA 3,660]

just read that article too.

Dont disagree with what he way saying, but my word people over analyse stats and figures these days...

another article on MFC.com.au which didnt really tell us anything we didnt allready know. The worst feature is that "chat with Matt" they had last year after team selection - his responses to questions were basically good for nothing. Ie. Q: How far away is Tapscott A: Dont really know, but i hear they are taking a conservative approach with his injury. That chat set up would be alot more interesting if it was one of the coaches taking part

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Harrington's list expectations

He mentions an ideal experience of AFL games played for flag winning team of around 130 games.

Right now our best 22 would be around the 66-68 game mark, and I left out a few kids who could have been considered in flag team.

So we are at least 3 years away from that. 4 or 5 if you believe Green, Moloney, Rivers, MacDonald and Jones aren't going to be there.

2013/2014?

Everyone comprehend that?

player X on team Y did this in 19ZZ and therefore exactly the same thing will pan out for the MFC in the future

x+y+z and that's how footy works right?

[e25 5]

Harrington's list expectations

He mentions an ideal experience of AFL games played for flag winning team of around 130 games.

Right now our best 22 would be around the 66-68 game mark, and I left out a few kids who could have been considered in flag team.

So we are at least 3 years away from that. 4 or 5 if you believe Green, Moloney, Rivers, MacDonald and Jones aren't going to be there.

2013/2014?

Everyone comprehend that?

Yes and I agree with everything you say.

But I do think it is worth pointing out that it is "flag winning" age -- our youth doesn't preclude us from playing finals or contending for top 4 (even if I do think it is a stretch).

The sky is the limit.

Always good to temper expectations though.

[JAG007 163]

Tim has made an interesting point regarding the average number of games per player that the premiership teams of the past 10 years have had.

The average appears to be 107, Collingwood average last year was 101.

At the end of the home and away season this year the approx. average for the MFC will be 90 if we are able to keep our best players on the park.

So that indicates that we could be in our premiership window from next year if we can keep our best team together.

[rpfc 27,693]

player X on team Y did this in 19ZZ and therefore exactly the same thing will pan out for the MFC in the future

x+y+z and that's how footy works right?

Oh, ok. You're right. We are all unique. Everything is different to everything else. Nothing shall be that ever was before.

There are no lessons from the past as it will never repeat. There is nothing to be gleaned from experience. All that was is as it was and never shall be again.

See, I can do pointless rhetorical sarcasm too!

[rpfc 27,693]

Yes and I agree with everything you say.

But I do think it is worth pointing out that it is "flag winning" age -- our youth doesn't preclude us from playing finals or contending for top 4 (even if I do think it is a stretch).

The sky is the limit.

Always good to temper expectations though.

No, I believe we have some heartbreak to come before the flag but I am just relaying the thinking of our list manager when he presents the board with his expectations - we are not in our window he would say.

[e25 5]

No, I believe we have some heartbreak to come before the flag but I am just relaying the thinking of our list manager when he presents the board with his expectations - we are not in our window he would say.

Yeah, I also agree with that, but I'm in denial.

If I'm honest with myself, some quality experience has been lost and there are more kids to come into the side that haven't even played 1 game yet, let alone 20.

There will be times when we struggle.

But I'm more than ok with that.

[Adzman 2,086]

Could just see if Michael Tuck senior is wanting to come out of retirement, His 400 odd games would go nicely for the team averages of games played....

I wouldn't expect we would contend for another 2-3 seasons, but I would expect some consistent finals appearances starting from this season.

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

Harrington's list expectations

He mentions an ideal experience of AFL games played for flag winning team of around 130 games.

Right now our best 22 would be around the 66-68 game mark, and I left out a few kids who could have been considered in flag team.

So we are at least 3 years away from that. 4 or 5 if you believe Green, Moloney, Rivers, MacDonald and Jones aren't going to be there.

2013/2014?

Everyone comprehend that?

Got it.

Top 4 this year or we sack Bailey.

Done.

[H_T 2,941]

This link should find it's way to Mike Sheahan too. Nothings as good as a bit of research and reality. Particularly from the club itself.

Some of us have been saying this on these boards as far back as two years ago. 2014...

You just have to look at our midfield in terms of experience (not including Moloney, Sylvia) and the fact that we have the youngest list next to the Suns - should speak volumes; as well as the need for some to temper expectations for those on the frog march for finals in 2011 around here. Friday as well as the practise game against Brisbane may have done some of that.

[Harrisonrules 273]

ITS THE SILENCE THAT IS DEADLY THAT WORRIES ME.

For four years we have been fed these basic statistics. Average game per premiership team.....etc. WHAT WE ARE NOT TOLD is that there are about 10 plus teams that have similar average games per players in those years and didn't win. WHAT WE NEVER HEARabout are the twenty other dimensions, dynamics, statistics or qualities or good fortune that one needs to win a flag. We have the same basic mantra being pumped out each year ....nothing new. Our window is years such and such to such and such. WHAT WE ARE NOT HEARING is of the dozen other teams that see those years as their window years. A couple of teams will win over those five years and another 10 will have moved past looking for new windows to sit and gaze through into the never-never ether. All these statistics are the lowest common denominator of winning teams. Much of it is equally shared by losing teams. I'M STILL TO HEAR SOMETHING THAT CONVINCES ME.

Edited March 14, 2011 by Harrisonrules

[e25 5]

ITS THE SILENCE THAT IS DEADLY THAT WORRIES ME.

For four years we have been fed these basic statistics. Average game per premiership team.....etc. WHAT WE ARE NOT TOLD is that there are about 10 plus teams that have similar average games per players in those years and didn't win. WHAT WE NEVER HEARabout are the twenty other dimensions, dynamics, statistics or qualities or good fortune that one needs to win a flag. We have the same basic mantra being pumped out each year ....nothing new. Our window is years such and such to such and such. WHAT WE ARE NOT HEARING is of the dozen other teams that see those years as their window years. A couple of teams will win over those five years and another 10 will have moved past looking for new windows to sit and gaze through into the never-never ether. All these statistics are the lowest common denominator of winning teams. Much of it is equally shared by losing teams. I'M STILL TO HEAR SOMETHING THAT CONVINCES ME.

Oh dear...

[ox_5 163]

CAPITALS MAKE MY OPINION MORE MEANINGFUL

[rpfc 27,693]

CAPITALS MAKE MY OPINION MORE MEANINGFUL

AND MEANS I AM SAYING SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN HEARD BEFORE - IT IS DOUBLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU READ IT.

[Rogue 585]

ITS THE SILENCE THAT IS DEADLY THAT WORRIES ME.

For four years we have been fed these basic statistics. Average game per premiership team.....etc. WHAT WE ARE NOT TOLD is that there are about 10 plus teams that have similar average games per players in those years and didn't win. WHAT WE NEVER HEARabout are the twenty other dimensions, dynamics, statistics or qualities or good fortune that one needs to win a flag. We have the same basic mantra being pumped out each year ....nothing new. Our window is years such and such to such and such. WHAT WE ARE NOT HEARING is of the dozen other teams that see those years as their window years. A couple of teams will win over those five years and another 10 will have moved past looking for new windows to sit and gaze through into the never-never ether. All these statistics are the lowest common denominator of winning teams. Much of it is equally shared by losing teams. I'M STILL TO HEAR SOMETHING THAT CONVINCES ME.

It seems like you're trying to infer something from the stats that simply isn't there. No one suggests that when your teams is at X games p/player and so forth you win a flag, they suggest that when your team is at X games p/player and so forth you have an opportunity to do so.

If you're waiting to hear something that convinces you we're going to be winning the flag in X year you'll be waiting a long time. Four years ago I didn't hear that Collingwood was going to win the flag in 2010, and seven years ago I wasn't convinced Geelong were going to three-peat, etc.

[Harrisonrules 273]

It seems like you're trying to infer something from the stats that simply isn't there. No one suggests that when your teams is at X games p/player and so forth you win a flag, they suggest that when your team is at X games p/player and so forth you have an opportunity to do so.

If you're waiting to hear something that convinces you we're going to be winning the flag in X year you'll be waiting a long time. Four years ago I didn't hear that Collingwood was going to win the flag in 2010, and seven years ago I wasn't convinved Geelong were going to three-peat, etc.

I'd like you to think a little deeper. You say no one suggests.....Why are we being told these relatively inconsequencial facts year after year. You seem to have misunderstood what I said. I was suggesting forget talk of premierships. Your last line said what I had said.

[Rogue 585]

I'd like you to think a little deeper. You say no one suggests.....Why are we being told these relatively inconsequencial facts year after year. You seem to have misunderstood what I said. I was suggesting forget talk of premierships. Your last line said what I had said.

Why do we get these sorts of articles?

First, it's [sadly] important that the Club manages supporter expectations.

Second, the footy world would be fairly boring if everyone dealt in the here and now.

[rpfc 27,693]

Why do we get these sorts of articles?

First, it's [sadly] important that the Club manages supporter expectations.

Second, the footy world would be fairly boring if everyone dealt in the here and now.

And the club is right to do it.

Some on here have unthinkingly managed to expect this club to go 3rd last, last, last, 12th, 7th-ish, top 4 and fighting for the flag in 2012...

And I don't mean you don't think - I am saying that you haven't thought this particular issue, through.

[Rogue 585]

And the club is right to do it.

Some on here have unthinkingly managed to expect this club to go 3rd last, last, last, 12th, 7th-ish, top 4 and fighting for the flag in 2012...

And I don't mean you don't think - I am saying that you haven't thought this particular issue, through.

If I wasn't aware of this I wouldn't be suggesting the Club needs to manage supporter expectations!

The vast majority here are going to be very disappointed as the season unfolds.

Probably - expectations are overblown, but the preseason seems to have tempered that somewhat.

[rpfc 27,693]

If I wasn't aware of this I wouldn't be suggesting the Club needs to manage supporter expectations!

I was agreeing with your post.

My 'unthinking' comment was directed at those that expect more than they can deliver, sooner than is possible.

[Red&BlueBlood 61]

Great article, i still cant help but get excited and hope for the best but it all makes sense...