I didn't argue any of those things.

I'm arguing:

1. That the limit of 120 rotations a match excluding changes at intervals is very similar to the average of last years rotations so we won't see any noticeable difference.

2. I'm arguing the game would be better served if the rotations were further limited or interchange numbers reduced from 3 + 1 to 2 + 1 (or 2) to open play up so some of the more attractive aspects of football returned.

I used Lyon as an example of where the game is now. Note the words "a highly successful coach". He's doing exactly what I expect and getting excellent results.

It's not that hard Ben, but not only is your maths ability terrible ("game 4 didn't shed any extra light on anything") but your comprehension is shot. Even your insults are corny. "Fuddy". Wow, amazing.

You're boring.

I was talking about Dipper not Robbie.

I know 'H'

Robbie Flower epitomised the brownlow character, Yet was overlooked.

I was inferring to the double standards, Re the 'Chas Brownlow' votes, of some absolute champions who continually beat their elite peers, yet didn't get the top B&F award... "Bruce Doull" another.

heres some more > http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/photos-e6frg1vc-1225923771480?page=1

Kid could be good but personally I believe that what this club requires now is another Backman. If Frawley stays (and I doubt he will), then invest in the best choice key positioned backman. If Frawley stays, then invest in a medium sized, hard running defender.

If stretch is available 2nd round, then take him by all means, as our second pick needs to be placed on another midfielder. Melbourne will finish 12th next year in my opinion and therefor I would assume we will get pick 7 (Med fast backman) , 30ish (Stretch) (with Free agent picks), 48ish.

B: Hogan McDonald Pick 7

HB: Grimes Frawley Tompass

C: Stretch Viney Michie

HF: Howe Dawes Trengove

F: Garland Clark Watts

R: Gawn Salem Tyson

I.C: N. Jones, Vince, Fitzpatrick

S: Blease

Billy still has a considerable way to go. 12 months ago the chat was that he may be able to make it at Senior level but that he was a fair way off the pace. I have followed his progress relatively closely and he is, of course, a fair bet to be drafted by us. However, Billy is not a first round option in any way, shape or form. MFC I'm sure would know this.

Billy still has a considerable way to go. 12 months ago the chat was that he may be able to make it at Senior level but that he was a fair way off the pace. I have followed his progress relatively closely and he is, of course, a fair bet to be drafted by us. However, Billy is not a first round option in any way, shape or form. MFC I'm sure would know this.

Yeah, tell him to take it easy and we'll see him in the third round.

We should've told Zac Jones the same.

Kid could be good but personally I believe that what this club requires now is another Backman. If Frawley stays (and I doubt he will), then invest in the best choice key positioned backman. If Frawley stays, then invest in a medium sized, hard running defender.

If stretch is available 2nd round, then take him by all means, as our second pick needs to be placed on another midfielder. Melbourne will finish 12th next year in my opinion and therefor I would assume we will get pick 7 (Med fast backman) , 30ish (Stretch) (with Free agent picks), 48ish.

B: Hogan McDonald Pick 7

HB: Grimes Frawley Tompass

C: Stretch Viney Michie

HF: Howe Dawes Trengove

F: Garland Clark Watts

R: Gawn Salem Tyson

I.C: N. Jones, Vince, Fitzpatrick

S: Blease

Is this supposed to be the team in 2015???

80's always been the mark talked about as a restriction. 120 was a compromise. It might not happen but it will be debated heavily next year. It's what KB wants.

No KB wants the 19th and 20th man back with no interchange.

No KB wants the 19th and 20th man back with no interchange.

nothing wrong with that

everybody complains of nil contests between the great players

well this would bring it back to 1 on ones

no more athletes,just fair dinkum footy players

Kid could be good but personally I believe that what this club requires now is another Backman. If Frawley stays (and I doubt he will), then invest in the best choice key positioned backman. If Frawley stays, then invest in a medium sized, hard running defender.

If stretch is available 2nd round, then take him by all means, as our second pick needs to be placed on another midfielder. Melbourne will finish 12th next year in my opinion and therefor I would assume we will get pick 7 (Med fast backman) , 30ish (Stretch) (with Free agent picks), 48ish.

B: Hogan McDonald Pick 7

HB: Grimes Frawley Tompass

C: Stretch Viney Michie

HF: Howe Dawes Trengove

F: Garland Clark Watts

R: Gawn Salem Tyson

I.C: N. Jones, Vince, Fitzpatrick

S: Blease

Garland forward and Hogan back? That's a bit rich Richy!!!!!

Yeah, tell him to take it easy and we'll see him in the third round.

We should've told Zac Jones the same.

King, I'm sure I said he wasn't a first round pick up. But, as your name promises, you are welcome to misinterpret me.

If we could pick up Viney in the second round of the draft considering we was a possible Top 5 pick then I'm pretty sure we could pick this kid for a third round pick.

If we could pick up Viney in the second round of the draft considering we was a possible Top 5 pick then I'm pretty sure we could pick this kid for a third round pick.

I think the reason we got Viney second round was that there was nobody below us challenging in the first round and we obviously came to an arrangement with GWS. It was not related to his skill or where he would have fallen if he was not eligible under FS criteria.

I think the reason we got Viney second round was that there was nobody below us challenging in the first round and we obviously came to an arrangement with GWS. It was not related to his skill or where he would have fallen if he was not eligible under FS criteria.

I'm well aware of that m8, I was just makeing a point. Some comments on this thread at saying they wouldn't use a first round pick on him but I don't think any other AFL team would pick him before round 2 or later.

Yeah, tell him to take it easy and we'll see him in the third round.

We should've told Zac Jones the same.

Agree totally with both......Billy is a 3rd round pick at best..

Kid could be good but personally I believe that what this club requires now is another Backman. If Frawley stays (and I doubt he will), then invest in the best choice key positioned backman. If Frawley stays, then invest in a medium sized, hard running defender.

If stretch is available 2nd round, then take him by all means, as our second pick needs to be placed on another midfielder. Melbourne will finish 12th next year in my opinion and therefor I would assume we will get pick 7 (Med fast backman) , 30ish (Stretch) (with Free agent picks), 48ish.

B: Hogan McDonald Pick 7

HB: Grimes Frawley Tompass

C: Stretch Viney Michie

HF: Howe Dawes Trengove

F: Garland Clark Watts

R: Gawn Salem Tyson

I.C: N. Jones, Vince, Fitzpatrick

S: Blease

Please tell me you're trolling.

I am not expecting much from Billy if we get him,but it just adds another nice touch to the rebuilding, with sons of former good players wanting to play with us.

I am sick of the insults given us by players telling their managers that they wouldn't even consider us when leaving their club. As we hopefully climb up the ladder we will become a more desirable destination.

Agree totally with both......Billy is a 3rd round pick at best..

He should play this season well overweight.

& work hard on the track building his engine, to the detriment of his weekends. overtrain.

Just a question. Have you guys seen him play live?

I am not expecting much from Billy if we get him,but it just adds another nice touch to the rebuilding, with sons of former good players wanting to play with us.

I am sick of the insults given us by players telling their managers that they wouldn't even consider us when leaving their club. As we hopefully climb up the ladder we will become a more desirable destination.

I think we will definitely pick him maybe round 3 or 2 if some club bids. I like the idea of someone who barracks 4 us wanting 2 play & not so much 4 the paycheck.Its gr8 when a young player loves the club even b4 he gets grafted. I know Wines wanted 2 play 4 us but in that instance we had 2 go 4 Jimmy T. Also young Stretch has the father son link.

The Mad Monday guys rate Billy very highly father/son prospects.

Does anyone know who Jake Lovett is playing for this season?

On a similar topic, wasn't Sugar Healy's son supposed to be "better than all of them"?

Stop your incessant rambling Machsy

Or for that matter, derailing the thread.

But now that you have, I seem to recall that he's not on the radar (disclaimer - can't remember where I heard this though)

The great greatest, namely Sir Don had a son. Ever seen his name in the record books?