David Hale

[e25 5]

It's a contract ... You realize you can write a new one .. One that suprcedes the prior if all parties agree

again. It's not that hard

It's not often that existing contracts get cancelled and new ones signed when a player gets traded.

[e25 5]

It's a new contract between us and Hale. North and Hale both agree to terminate the old contract. If one or other of them doesn't agree to terminate it then it stands. FMD!

Have they agreed to terminate the contract though?

If Hale was on stupid money, why would he agree to that?

[e25 5]

The concept is quite simple, but the motives are not there.

[beelzebub 22,694]

It's not often that existing contracts get cancelled and new ones signed when a player gets traded.

Maybe not ... And this may be one of the times it does !! Or a simple extension. Why is non of this possible ? Because it doesn't happen OFTEN? We are dealing in a new world of circumstances.

[beelzebub 22,694]

The concept is quite simple, but the motives are not there.

You cant possibly know that

[e25 5]

It's hard isn't it.

Hale says to us "I want to come to you but GC have offered 4 and Hawks 3. You've offered 2 and from my point of view that's a deal breaker. 3 would do the trick."

North don't care if it's 2, 3 or 4.

Does that help.

You don't like it when you're on the end do you.

Smile, it's only trade week.

I love it when I'm on the other end. Never happens though.

Hale is NOT OUT OF CONTRACT. So years don't come into it.

There are a lot of assumptions that his contract with North would be terminated, but I don't think that is likely at all.

[rpfc 27,666]

It's not often that existing contracts get cancelled and new ones signed when a player gets traded.

We might have offered more security (longer term) in exchange for a modest pay cut and a new contract.

[e25 5]

You cant possibly know that

Neither can anyone else that is assuming his current contract will be terminated.

It's not a common thing, I don't know why anyone would just assume it will happen.

[e25 5]

We might have offered more security (longer term) in exchange for a modest pay cut and a new contract.

A lot of water to go under the bridge though and a lot of assumptions being made.

[old55 21,816]

Have they agreed to terminate the contract though?

If Hale was on stupid money, why would he agree to that?

Because we're offering him a longer term on comparable money?

There's two parts to this deal - North has to be satisfied and Hale has to be satisfied.

If there's more than one club involved there's a bidding war on both parts.

[e25 5]

Because we're offering him a longer term on comparable money?

There's two parts to this deal - North has to be satisfied and Hale has to be satisfied.

If there's more than one club involved there's a bidding war on both parts.

Hale would be satisfied to come to us on the existing contract of 2 more years.

The bidding war is a furphy.

[e25 5]

Whatever is in the "original" contract is included for TPP purposes somewhere, either with NM or Hale's new home.

Hale can agree to reduce the money at any time but he'd only do it if he thought he'd be better off.

Doesn't really matter if it's a new contract or a contract extension does it. It's all the same in the end - club/club/player make a deal.

Well it does matter if the money is different over the 2 years that are covered by his existing contract.

What i'm saying is that it's very unusual for a player's contract to be terminated so that he can be traded and a new contract formed with the new team.

It is far from a common occurrence and considering he still has 2 years to go, I don't see the motivation.

If he was in the twilight of his career those years might come into it, but he is relatively middle aged.

& it's not MFC's style to throw long contracts at players like that.

Jamar had a single year contract in 2010.

Edited October 6, 2010 by E25

[daisycutter 28,713]

Agree with your point, but GC Suns have picks 13 & 15, so 17 is actually only 3 picks down the order from 12.

5 positions is 5 positions. its simple

its 41.666666% worse

[H_T 2,941]

The bidding war is a furphy.

So there's only been one club involved then ?

[e25 5]

So there's only been one club involved then ?

From what I gather we are the only team really INTO him.

Others aren't really in the running.

Norf are using their perceived interest to push the price up.

[beelzebub 22,694]

So there's only been one club involved then ?

Am guessing ( ackowledge that) that we may be only ones to get to 2nd base so far

[rpfc 27,666]

Pelchen (Hawks Rec Man) thinks it's between Hawks and Melb, with Melb well down the track because of the contract work we have done.

It's fair to say that we were the club that had a chat in June/July this year.

Pelchen is pretty keen.

[e25 5]

Pelchen (Hawks Rec Man) thinks it's between Hawks and Melb, with Melb well down the track because of the contract work we have done.

It's fair to say that we were the club that had a chat in June/July this year.

Pelchen is pretty keen.

Yes, but the Hawks always are and they don't have much to offer.

Maybe Osbourne?

They won't trade their first pick.

[e25 5]

Hawks do seem to have some strange ideas up their sleeve.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103810/default.aspx

at the bottom of the article.

Looks like they want to play Buddy on a wing a la Richo.

Not the worst idea.

Or maybe Roughie is going to CHB.

Either way, I really don't think the Hawks are in this one.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

I've spoken to a handful of mates, one who actually works for the Roos (but somehow follows us, go figure), and they reckon Hale's a really good player at FF, but as a ruckman, they'd prefer someone with more pace. Very old-fashined, crash-and-bash (Jamar style) but not much tank/speed. Almost all made the assumption that he's been recruited to play just as a KP forward, which was weird, given that so many are calling it a trade for a ruckman.

I'm liking it more as I go. Anything to stave off the Jack Anthony talk.

[e25 5]

I've spoken to a handful of mates, one who actually works for the Roos (but somehow follows us, go figure), and they reckon Hale's a really good player at FF, but as a ruckman, they'd prefer someone with more pace. Very old-fashined, crash-and-bash (Jamar style) but not much tank/speed. Almost all made the assumption that he's been recruited to play just as a KP forward, which was weird, given that so many are calling it a trade for a ruckman.

I'm liking it more as I go. Anything to stave off the Jack Anthony talk.

He'll be a FF, but remove the need for Jamar to do any rucking in the forward line.

He'll also have infrequent forays into the ruck when they swap.

I can't imagine either spending too much time on the bench.

(Notice I take it as a given we will acquire Hale).

[old55 21,816]

Yes, but the Hawks always are and they don't have much to offer.

Maybe Osbourne?

They won't trade their first pick.

They've got the compo pick for Brown at the end of the first round.

[H_T 2,941]

He'll be a FF, but remove the need for Jamar to do any rucking in the forward line.

He'll also have infrequent forays into the ruck when they swap.

I can't imagine either spending too much time on the bench.

(Notice I take it as a given we will acquire Hale).

Assuming he lands at Melbourne...

He'll be a step ladder for Jurrah.

[old55 21,816]

Well it does matter if the money is different over the 2 years that are covered by his existing contract.

What i'm saying is that it's very unusual for a player's contract to be terminated so that he can be traded and a new contract formed with the new team.

It is far from a common occurrence and considering he still has 2 years to go, I don't see the motivation.

If he was in the twilight of his career those years might come into it, but he is relatively middle aged.

& it's not MFC's style to throw long contracts at players like that.

Jamar had a single year contract in 2010.

I'll bet you a new MFC jumper that if Hale comes to MFC it'll be on a contract that's for longer than 2 years.

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