I have a quick question for anyone who can help...

How tall is Jack atm and how tall do we expect him to be?

Just generally interested.

I read somewhere a while ago that he was around 178 cm which is pretty small but he is obviously still growing.

Thanks in advance.

I think the jack viney thread will become the longest thread on demonland!

Jack Watts will be thrilled !!!

Wait...that picture's not photoshopped?

Certainly not photoshopped mate, taken in may this year, from the Advertiser, here is another one

Is there any reason why we couldn't use the new rule for our own benefit by coming to an arrangement with both Jack Viney and GWS to get young Jack to the MFC twelve months earlier than otherwise?

As things stood, we would have been required to wait until the 2012 national draft to get young Jack as a f/s at the cost of our first pick in the next uncompromised draft.

Under the new rule, we would have to trade a player to GWS but would get Viney to the club at the end of next year and keep 2012 pick 1.

Might be worth considering?

Is there any reason why we couldn't use the new rule for our own benefit by coming to an arrangement with both Jack Viney and GWS to get young Jack to the MFC twelve months earlier than otherwise?

As things stood, we would have been required to wait until the 2012 national draft to get young Jack as a f/s at the cost of our first pick in the next uncompromised draft.

Under the new rule, we would have to trade a player to GWS but would get Viney to the club at the end of next year and keep 2012 pick 1.

Might be worth considering?

Good thinking Jack.

Its really very simple

Either he chooses Melbourne under the father and son rule or he goes into the draft

Its really up to Jack

Well summed up.

A friend of mine and jacks asked Jack about the crows last night and if he would be forgetting about going to melbourne, i then pointed out reasons why there would be no chance of him choosing the crows over the demons and Jack replied it was the first he had heard about it. So obviously Todd doesn't even think its something worth mentioning to Jack. He will be a demon!!!!!

A friend of mine and jacks asked Jack about the crows last night and if he would be forgetting about going to melbourne, i then pointed out reasons why there would be no chance of him choosing the crows over the demons and Jack replied it was the first he had heard about it. So obviously Todd doesn't even think its something worth mentioning to Jack. He will be a demon!!!!!

Really? That's good to hear.

Well summed up.

Couldn't he also be chosen by GWS as one of their 17 year olds that they keep..?

Is there any reason why we couldn't use the new rule for our own benefit by coming to an arrangement with both Jack Viney and GWS to get young Jack to the MFC twelve months earlier than otherwise?

As things stood, we would have been required to wait until the 2012 national draft to get young Jack as a f/s at the cost of our first pick in the next uncompromised draft.

Under the new rule, we would have to trade a player to GWS but would get Viney to the club at the end of next year and keep 2012 pick 1.

Might be worth considering?

Jack, I might be wrong, but I seem to remember a thread recently on this subject which implied he would be available in the 2011 Draft by his birthday just falling into the range. He would be in the "younger age" category which is not compromised in 2011.

May have got this wrong but someone here probably knows the correct rules, date cutoffs, birthdays etc

He will be at the Demons. North Adelaide source.

Jack, I might be wrong, but I seem to remember a thread recently on this subject which implied he would be available in the 2011 Draft by his birthday just falling into the range. He would be in the "younger age" category which is not compromised in 2011.

May have got this wrong but someone here probably knows the correct rules, date cutoffs, birthdays etc

Turns18 in 2012 so that would be the draft in which he first qualifies.

The new rule seems to make him accessible to GWS as a17 y.o.

The rule hasn't been approved by the AFL yet.

If anyone wants a good read and a laugh go to BF and the adelaide board

I asked David Neitz about JV at the BF. He said If he's good enough he'll be playing for Melbourne.

All I know is Todd loves the Dee's. He is looking forward to the Dee's winning a premiership as much as any other demon supporter.

Couldn't he also be chosen by GWS as one of their 17 year olds that they keep..?

Not if he elects to come to Melbourne via the father-son rule. That takes precedence. That's my understanding of it?

If he doesn't wish to come to Melbourne, that's when GWS can swoop and take him as one of four 17 year olds.

I asked David Neitz about JV at the BF. He said If he's good enough he'll be playing for Melbourne.

Haha. If he's good enough...

Not if he elects to come to Melbourne via the father-son rule. That takes precedence. That's my understanding of it?

If he doesn't wish to come to Melbourne, that's when GWS can swoop and take him as one of four 17 year olds.

No, the four 17 years olds are to be taken by clubs other than GWS.

GWS themselves are able to pre-select 12 x 17 year olds like the GC Suns did LAST year (Keath, Matera, Weller, Russell, etc.)

BUT

GWS18 will be doing that THIS year, so that rules JV out as he is not yet 17.

The picks to be on-traded to OTHER clubs for 17 year olds are for NEXT year.

And this is not set in stone as the rules haven't been signed off by the AFL yet anyway.

... Why does the AFL make this all so confusing?

He either chooses to join a midfield probably a year off peaking with Scully, Trengove, Gysberts, Sylvia, McKenzie etc. etc.

Or puts his hat in the ring and quite possibly could go to a team 3 or 4 years off.

It comes down to a footballing decision nothing else...The only worry would be if Adelaide finished 18th.

Joel Selwood - First 3 seasons, 3 Grand Finals, 2 Premierships - could quite possibly play in 4 grand finals in 4 years

Why would any AFL player pass up an opportunity to join a club just about to hit their stride?

He either chooses to join a midfield probably a year off peaking with Scully, Trengove, Gysberts, Sylvia, McKenzie etc. etc.

Or puts his hat in the ring and quite possibly could go to a team 3 or 4 years off.

It comes down to a footballing decision nothing else...The only worry would be if Adelaide finished 18th.

Joel Selwood - First 3 seasons, 3 Grand Finals, 2 Premierships - could quite possibly play in 4 grand finals in 4 years

Why would any AFL player pass up an opportunity to join a club just about to hit their stride?

Assuming he wants to stay in Adelaide.

And I find it inconceivable that he would.

Turns18 in 2012 so that would be the draft in which he first qualifies.

The new rule seems to make him accessible to GWS as a17 y.o.

The rule hasn't been approved by the AFL yet.

I think daisycutter was talking about my post. Is it incorrect?

I do not think player these days want to stay in their home states just so they can be close to family & friends, Trengove & Tapscott from last years draft as current examples... It is not as is JV is a 10yo.

If JV does his homework on both clubs, he would quickly see MFC are on the ascendancy (big chance of a flag in the next 5ish years) & Adelaide are cleaning out their list and commencing a rebuild... (oh, and MFC have decent training facilities now!!)

The MFC club is going to be a desirable destination from this draft forward. We are touted as the next "dynasty" of the AFL.

Jack Viney knows the red (& blue) carpet has been rolled out here for him. He will have known about the father son since he was about 10 yeats old. Playing for the Demons would have crossed him mind before playing for any other club.

If he plays in Adelaide, then I wish Todd's boy luck. If we wants to a part of the MFC legacy, one his father started, then he will indeed become a Demon.

No point stressing, we have to go to the draft table this season and get it right before we start worrying about future drafts.

I think daisycutter was talking about my post. Is it incorrect?

Yeah, just done some research (apologies to those who know this)

Firstly Jack Viney's birthday is 13.4.94 (incidentally at June 2009 he was 164cm and 69Kg, obviously already bigger by now)

So, he is 16 this year 17 in 2011 year (and before April 30) and 18 in 2012

OLD DRAFT TILL 2008

Players had to be at least 17 by April 30 in year of draft (e.g. hence Watts)

DRAFT SINCE 2009

4 months added to min age, so that now must 18 by Dec 31 in year of draft

This is a permanent change and nothing to do with new franchises

SPECIAL TEMPORARY RULES for GC17 and GWS

Starting from 2009 Draft players who reach 17 in the 4 months of Jan thru April of the draft year can be selected

There are varopus separate rules for GWS and GC17 but I won't go into the details here

PROPOSED SPECIAL RULE for GWS (NOT APPROVED YET BY AFL)

Allow GWS to select 4 17 year olds (turning 17 in Jan thru April) to be selected in 2011 Draft. They must then be traded the next year to the highest bidders.

So,

1. Jack not eligible for Drafting (normally) till 2012 when he turns 18

2. His status unclear re Proposed Special GWS Rule. He does fit into the age 17 by April 30 bracket in 2011

Can't see it happening as it would bypass the Father Son rules, but lets wait for AFL clarification

He will be at the Demons. North Adelaide source.

What, someone you know?

Setback in Adelaide bid to secure Jack Viney