Re-invent Brad Miller as a defender ...

[Range Rover 1,935]

Brad Miller just hasn't cut it as a key forward. He doesn't have the necessary attacking smarts or goal sense.

What he does have is strength, athleticism and a good leap and he likes to run bull-at-a-gate in straight lines and give off handballs to runners.

I reckon they should try him down back in 2010, either at CHB on the more mobile types like Robert Murphy or as another tall option on the last line of defence.

If they continue to persist with him as a forward he'll playing twos most of the year and will be one of the first cut at the end of 2010.

They should take a gamble and re-invent him as an attacking backman. If it comes off he could hold down a spot there for another 5 years or so.

Opinions?

[Keyser Söze 0]

Brad Miller just hasn't cut it as a key forward. He doesn't have the necessary attacking smarts or goal sense.

What he does have is strength, athleticism and a good leap and he likes to run bull-at-a-gate in straight lines and give off handballs to runners.

I reckon they should try him down back in 2010, either at CHB on the more mobile types like Robert Murphy or as another tall option on the last line of defence.

If they continue to persist with him as a forward he'll playing twos most of the year and will be one of the first cut at the end of 2010.

They should take a gamble and re-invent him as an attacking backman. If it comes off he could hold down a spot there for another 5 years or so.

Opinions?

Yeah, cos we definitely have a dearth of quality players to play in defence, but way too much quality in the forward line.

Your logic is flawed.

[green_machine 36]

God No!

Miller is a very good third tall. We have just forced him to play CHF and FF which is not his role. He is a much better forward than backman as he has proved time and time again. I am also not sure who would push him out of his team. I think he adds far more than people give him credit for. His only real crime is he is not a Jonathan Brown.

In any case even if he had not proven a better forward than backman moving Miller to the backline would make no sense. Our tall backs are great. In fact our third and fourth best back men (Rivers and Garland) are better than the 2nd best at most clubs. With Harley's retirement, Geelong would take either of these players at CHB. Who do the bulldogs have who is better than either of these (harris excluded). How about Collingwood (?) Presti? The list goes on. Our backline will be excellent in a few years, all it needs is a couple of small defensive running players with great skills like a Macleod or a mackie who can do stuff coming out of the backline.

Miller needs to stay forward playing the role of third or fourth tall and then he will be very good value.

Edited December 5, 2009 by green_machine

[Range Rover 1,935]

Yeah, cos we definitely have a dearth of quality players to play in defence, but way too much quality in the forward line.

Your logic is flawed.

You might rate them as 'quality players' but I'm not yet sold on Warnock or Garland. Those two in particular will have to produce the goods in 2010 and it wouldn't hurt to have a player like Miller putting pressure on them at the selection table.

Offer up some of your own logic before being so quick to dismiss other's ideas.

[Keyser Söze 0]

You might rate them as 'quality players' but I'm not yet sold on Warnock or Garland. Those two in particular will have to produce the goods in 2010 and it wouldn't hurt to have a player like Miller putting pressure on them at the selection table.

Offer up some of your own logic before being so quick to dismiss other's ideas.

Miller doesn't put pressure on anyone at the selection table.

Its gotten to the point where he is little more than a depth player.

Warnock is the first chosen in the backline and Garland, when fit, has shown he is a gun.

That backline is so stacked that we have the option of playing Garland as a forward.

Go back to the drawing board...

[Range Rover 1,935]

God No!

Miller is a very good third tall. He is a much better forward than backman as he has proved time and time again.

I don't know which games of Miller you're referring to there. Time and time again you reckon he's proved himself up forward?

Surely you're kidding ...

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,092]

Bad Call!

Been tried before and failed.

The only way to re-invent himself is bring back the aggression he showed in his 1st 2 years as a half forward. He was a feared player and he knew it. It was great to watch. Sadly, after a few suspensions he was told to pull his head in and curb that aggression.

Unleash him. I`d love to see it again. To be perfectly honest if he gets suspended again, we can more than cover him now.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Miller doesn't put pressure on anyone at the selection table.

Its gotten to the point where he is little more than a depth player.

Warnock is the first chosen in the backline and Garland, when fit, has shown he is a gun.

That backline is so stacked that we have the option of playing Garland as a forward.

Go back to the drawing board...

Fair enough that you think that but I'm still not convinced, particularly about Warnock. Think about the past few premiership sides' full backs - Scarlett, Croad, Glass. He's got a lot to prove to be considered of that quality.

Throw Miller down there and see what happens. It's worth a gamble.

[green_machine 36]

It has been tried. Daniher did it to death. Miller mis-read the ball, got beaten in too many one on ones and panicked occasionally underpressure. The last experiment of Miller down back nearly finished Miller's career. He got three brownlow votes once because of his job on Hall but it was more that the Dee's won and someone had to get them and so they went to Miller. From memory Hall kicked 2 goals & 4 behinds if it had been 6 goals straight Hall would have got the brownlow votes.

Points of need aside (my views on our backline are above), I agree with shifting Miller down back, as a big strong body could work in theory but he has played down back and it just did not work. Warnock for such a big man occasionally loses one on one contests due to strength, miller surprisingly was far worst.

[Keyser Söze 0]

Fair enough that you think that but I'm still not convinced, particularly about Warnock. Think about the past few premiership sides' full backs - Scarlett, Croad, Glass. He's got a lot to prove to be considered of that quality.

Throw Miller down there and see what happens. It's worth a gamble.

-Croad??

hahahahahaha you don't think Warnock is as good as Croad?

Wow.

[BAMF 3,787]

2004 just called. He wants his thread back.

[Keyser Söze 0]

SNAP.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,258]

Late entry for thread of the year :D

[Range Rover 1,935]

-Croad??

hahahahahaha you don't think Warnock is as good as Croad?

Wow.

Croad may not play again but I'd have him at FB at his best any day over Warnock. The bloke is an All-Australian and premiership player.

The bias from some people on this site is ridiculous.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Late entry for thread of the year :D

The point of the thread is to suggest a back line role for Miller.

The guy is dead weight up forward and frankly a liability in that position.

I believe he can play a role in defence, whatever cheap shots you want to throw my way.

[Range Rover 1,935]

2004 just called. He wants his thread back.

The person who invented ".... just called" jokes just called. He wants his lame attempt at humour back.

Edited December 5, 2009 by ScullyToWatts!

[Viney Vidi Vici 114]

hey look, i don't remember the previous experiments with Miller down back, but right now, i don't reckon its the worst idea i've heard.

[Guest hellter skelter]

The point of the thread is to suggest a back line role for Miller.

The guy is dead weight up forward and frankly a liability in that position.

I believe he can play a role in defence, whatever cheap shots you want to throw my way.

no offence to miller, but he is dead weight were ever he plays, hes played in defence, it didnt work, hes played forward, and kicked 1.2 goals a game, if he was on the crows list he would have been delisted 3yrs ago, your beating a deadhorse, hes a jumper and hes finished nxt season.

[Sir Why You Little 34,657]

How could you ever suggest Miller as a backman when he scared to ever Kick the Ball

A good backman must be able to clear the ball from danger areas without a second thought.

Keep Miller at Half Forward Please.

[LITTLE STINGA 1]

Brad Miller just hasn't cut it as a key forward. He doesn't have the necessary attacking smarts or goal sense.

What he does have is strength, athleticism and a good leap and he likes to run bull-at-a-gate in straight lines and give off handballs to runners.

I reckon they should try him down back in 2010, either at CHB on the more mobile types like Robert Murphy or as another tall option on the last line of defence.

If they continue to persist with him as a forward he'll playing twos most of the year and will be one of the first cut at the end of 2010.

They should take a gamble and re-invent him as an attacking backman. If it comes off he could hold down a spot there for another 5 years or so.

Opinions?

I can't see Murphy playing in the VFL. He should be tried down back at Casey as long as he never plays a game for Melbourne again. Giving Miller a one year contract is every bit a stupid as the contracts they gave to Newton and Meeson, surely the Gold Coast couldn't be that stupid and take him off our hands at the end of next year.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,258]

The point of the thread is to suggest a back line role for Miller.

The guy is dead weight up forward and frankly a liability in that position.

I believe he can play a role in defence, whatever cheap shots you want to throw my way.

The only defensive players roles that he could play is Warnocks and Frawleys and to think he is even close to either of those two is laughable. You are so adamant that he is dead weight up forward where we have no key options of any maturity. Yet you want to find him a position in our defence where we have so many quality options they will struggle to all get games next year. Here's an idea if he doesn't warrant a game in his legitimate position as a forward why dont we play him at Casey until injury or form forces us to play him.

Next thread, Re-inventing Newton as a Ruckman...

Edited December 5, 2009 by big_red_fire_engine

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,318]

Hoping he's one of the 8 AFL listed players Gold Coast will select next year.

That being said when Melbourne win, Miller fires.

Miller's conclusion to 2009 was not encouraging.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

The only defensive players roles that he could play is Warnocks and Frawleys and to think he is even close to either of those two is laughable. You are so adamant that he is dead weight up forward where we have no key options of any maturity. Yet you want to find him a position in our defence where we have so many quality options they will struggle to all get games next year. Here's an idea if he doesn't warrant a game in his legitimate position as a forward why dont we play him at Casey until injury or form forces us to play him.

Next thread, Re-inventing Newton as a Ruckman...

Meesen to be a first dibs midfielder too.

Miller up back .......aaah no.

Contender for thread of the year

[Range Rover 1,935]

Meesen to be a first dibs midfielder too.

Miller up back .......aaah no.

Contender for thread of the year

Amazing how all of you keyboard warriors sound so cocksure of yourselves. We'll see how the season unfolds ....

Gay Groucho Marx quote under your profile btw.

[Keyser Söze 0]

Amazing how all of you keyboard warriors sound so cocksure of yourselves. We'll see how the season unfolds ....

Gay Groucho Marx quote under your profile btw.

The delicious irony...