Carroll is an absolute dud

Should be delisted/cut/whatever you want

letting us down, and more importantly costing us a quater of a million dollars- about a 1/12 of our debt.

  Bailey said:

Carroll is an absolute dud

Should be delisted/cut/whatever you want

letting us down, and more importantly costing us a quater of a million dollars- about a 1/12 of our debt.

I agree get rid of him regardless, there's no worth in him playing for Casey next year we may as well open up a spot for another player on the list and cop the 250k pay out if we have to I reckon

did i hear carroll's being cut on one of sen's news updates?

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...02-2862,00.html

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...5-11088,00.html

God damn Gale and the Players Association annoy me. It's given far too much power to the players and not enough to the AFL and clubs. If a player fails to represent that organisation that has contracted him on a performance and behavioral-based contract in a mature manner, that organisation should have the right to terminate the contract.

Surely in every player contract it has something along the lines of the player acting as a representative of the club? If anything remotely like that is in the contract, Melbourne have every right to terminate it. My feeling is that clubs haven't done so in the past because of fear of the players association.

Get rid of him. He sucks anyway.

*looks at favorite players under his av*

  Fan said:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...5-11088,00.html

Ray Carroll on his son Nathan:

"Watching Nathan play football is good for me, not that he listens to anything I say.

"When they were growing up, I was more scared of him than Trent. He is more aggressive; Trent is quiet and mellow.

"This one has a bit of s--- in him. He doesn't know when to stop."

Apparently so.

  calabreseboy said:

Get rid of him. He sucks anyway.

*looks at favorite players under his av*

Haha

  Maurie Lithen said:

I wish people would get over the figures being quoted about footballer's salaries. You can't pay everyone $50,000. The average salary for an AFL player is now well over $200,000 (just dividing the salary cap by the number of listed players). That means the run-of-the-mill average player is on that sort of level, some players obviously on a lot more, others (draftees, rookies) on a lot less.

And any payout to Carroll would include some other entitlements e.g. leave equivalents, redundancy etc.

He could easily be on a back-ended contract too, which would make sense considering MFC's finances in the last few years

  Rogue said:

Ray Carroll on his son Nathan:

"Watching Nathan play football is good for me, not that he listens to anything I say.

"When they were growing up, I was more scared of him than Trent. He is more aggressive; Trent is quiet and mellow.

"This one has a bit of s--- in him. He doesn't know when to stop."

Apparently so.

Haha

I'm not sure that was the point Fan was hinting at with the provision of those two links. A little context doesn't go astray when passionate posters are ready to play judge, jury and executioner. His background is no excuse but certainly provides a little more food for thought. It seems the worst thing many posters on this forum have to deal with is a 44 year premiership drought. Now cue the bleeding heart accusations . . . .

Good suggestion Haydo , but we wouldn't get him on ' the skank girlfriend 'clause , cos she's actually gorgeous.

  Haydo said:

-Seen in a licenced venue by a demonologist...$10,000 fine.

That should be a $20,000 fine.

Demonlanders carry the $10,000 fine.

Come on, that's a little unfair. Did you read the two articles in Fan's post? People usually have good reasons for being messed up. I hope we don't have to pay him out, but let's not go ape-[censored] on him just yet. And Craig Cameron made a mistake, but had Chop played as well in '07 and '08 as he did in 2006, I would not have been too upset with what we're paying him. Unfortunately that wasn't the case.

Cannot wait to see the back of Carroll

Its important that the club pay the guy out as is morally required

Being shifty in contract negotiations is not the culture i want at MFC

  Swampfox said:

Being shifty in contract negotiations is not the culture i want at MFC

Having a tough uncompromising stance both on the field and off is exactly the culture I want at MFC.

  Fan said:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...02-2862,00.html

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...5-11088,00.html

I feel for him and his dad, but that really is not an excuse for the way he behaved on Mad Monday or many times beforehand.

He needs to leave football and seek help.

I have just heard from an ex-Melbourne player, that on top of everything that has been reported today in the papers and on radio about Carroll, that he has also had a massive and very serious fallout with Brad Miller and the club has decided to back Brad.

Earlier today on SEN, David Schwartz said Carroll had done something so incredibly bad for not only football standards, but decent social standards, that the MFC had but no other options that to boot him out of the club. He said it had something to do with a female staff member. Schwartz knows what Carroll had done, but was too disappointed to say exactly what and also was being careful due to its exact nature.

Other reports have said there were personal attacks and racial attacks by Carroll to the female staff member.

I dont know if the Miller incident and the staff member attacks are one and the same.

Either way this \ has played his last game for the MFC for certain and I for one do not like the fact that we may be forced to pay out his contract.

Everyone is carrying on about players payments and I just don't get it.... Footballers are on a sh^t load of dough and $250k a year isn't a big contract neither is paying Warnock $350k a year...

The salary cap is 7.4mil divided by 38 listed players it is 195k per player.... Since you have 4-6 first year players 60K a year and two veteran on the list 250K would be a base contract.

Although the cap is 7.4mil in 2008 collingwood spent 8.5mil on total payments so you can work it out the extra money that clubs spend

All I see on this thread is "allegedly". This was allegedly done, that was allegedly done. How about waiting for the facts (if there are any) to be proven before hanging the guy?

And if we jumped up and down about sacking everyone who didn't perform in order to save some cash we would probably be fielding a team of about four players next year, based on performance this year.

the word allegedly is used because it the reporter was not there to witness it.

it did happen, and i am will be deeply dissapointed if anyone of this calibre, and who exhibits this behaviour and views, ever represents the mfc, of which I am a member. it goes against being australian, it goes against being a good bloke, and i sure hope the foot club holds firm on this.

Mark Riley is too blame he is the one who brought him here in the first place. Who was the list manager back then was it Cameron or Fagan? I can't believe they gave him 3 years when Daniher still wasn't sold on Carroll's ability to be a good footballer even after his 2006 season.

The thing that sickens me is that 2 of the biggerest destroyers of the club in Riley and Cameron will more likely see success at thier new clubs.

Apparently Claremont (his original WAFL club) has been talking to Carroll. In today's Age.

Fingers crossed.

Can anyone tell me what he actually did (Or PM me with that he did)?

  Mono said:

Apparently Claremont (his original WAFL club) has been talking to Carroll. In today's Age.

Fingers crossed.

I noticed that too, can't be a good sign for his AFL career.

  demon_king_v2 said:

I noticed that too, can't be a good sign for his AFL career.

Doesn't have an AFL career any more: MFC tried to trade him in 07 without success, no chance this year. I'd guess that Claremont got in touch with him, to see what he's doing. Hopefully, he can reach a settlement with us, then head home west to play a few years in WAFL.