David Schwartz

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Definately. We caned the Crows, and got the Roos the next week. Its history now the Crows went on to win back to back.

Who did we play in the semis inbetween those 2 games? Was it St Kilda?

I reckon our 2000 side would have beaten alot of premiership teams in the 90s, only Essendon were unstoppable and were never going to be beaten. Didn't we score 100 points or more in about 9 or 10 games in a row (It might have been less, but my mind tends to exaggerate these types of things). In 1994 we had one of the most awesome forward lines ever, consisting of Lyon, Jakovich, Schwarz, Pike & Charles (just imagine if we hadda had Neitz in there also!!). But the prelim was a case of the unstoppable force vs the immovable object, and WC had an even better defence.

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Who did we play in the semis inbetween those 2 games? Was it St Kilda?

I reckon our 2000 side would have beaten alot of premiership teams in the 90s, only Essendon were unstoppable and were never going to be beaten. Didn't we score 100 points or more in about 9 or 10 games in a row (It might have been less, but my mind tends to exaggerate these types of things). In 1994 we had one of the most awesome forward lines ever, consisting of Lyon, Jakovich, Schwarz, Pike & Charles (just imagine if we hadda had Neitz in there also!!). But the prelim was a case of the unstoppable force vs the immovable object, and WC had an even better defence.

That is right Oxxx, Glen Jackovich was in superb form then and the great Ox didn't get a sniff. Stinga was hot to trot that year. We were up against it against WC but only one win from the GF. We were close. 2000, well we got there and had a chance, but the Bombers were too good.

[Pates 9,537]

Would it be fair to say that on occasions, the missing ingredient we've had for a flag is luck? I mean you look at the Geelong side this year, very few major injuries to key players, and it's something that frustrates the hell out of me. What about the great 2000 Bombers side? They had something like 2-3 changes through the whole season, how would they have done if they lost Lloyd and Hird for the year?

We've been effed in the A when it comes to have a chance at a premiership, always cut down when it was just within reach. '98 is a closest i've seen us come in terms of our quality compared with the competition, no way did Adelaide deserve that cup!

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We've been effed in the A when it comes to have a chance at a premiership, always cut down when it was just within reach. '98 is a closest i've seen us come in terms of our quality compared with the competition, no way did Adelaide deserve that cup!

Couldn't agree more. We beat 'em by what, ten goals?

[Sir Why You Little 34,700]

Hi all,

I'm just curious, since I missed out on the 90's having only been properly introduced to AFL around 2000 (lucky charm, I was), with all this hype about Franklin and so on, I had a look back and noticed that David Schwartz closed in on 3 goals a game, and managed 15 brownlow votes playing alongside Garry Lyon in 1994, which was also the season he played just his 50th game.

Then there were two (Three?) knee reconstructions in rapid succession, and he never got back to that level, is what I understand happened.

Anyone care to fill in some details? Some nostalgia to pass on, memories of the days when...

We were a real chance to win a Flag in '95-Make no mistake. The Ox did his Knee during Pre-Season on a Bodgy Ground near the Junction oval. I just remember being Gutted.

the Team didn't make the Finals. Carltank "won" the flag. (Their means of winning are always questionable) Neil Balme would have been so frustrated. The ox would have Rivalled Carey & Glen Jakovich, i have no doubt.

The Fact he came back after 3 Reco's Puts him into Legend Status

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

We were a real chance to win a Flag in '95-Make no mistake.

We were a "real" chance until the season actually started. We lost the first six games of the year and then lost the last 4 games. Finishing with 9 and 13. In reality we were not a show at all.

After being knocked out of the 1994 finals in unceremoniously in straight sets, Carlton (now Visybank) were set for revenge and monstered the competition savagely that year and finished 18 an4 at the end of the H&A four games clear of second.

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We were a "real" chance until the season actually started. We lost the first six games of the year and then lost the last 4 games. Finishing with 9 and 13. In reality we were not a show at all.

After being knocked out of the 1994 finals in unceremoniously in straight sets, Carlton (now Visybank) were set for revenge and monstered the competition savagely that year and finished 18 an4 at the end of the H&A four games clear of second.

Yes Yes I remember all that RR-My point was that if the Ox had Played the season like a Carey or Jakovich we were a Big Chance. We lost the First six Games because the Ox wasn't there!! How Many Brown paper Bags were Handed out by "TheCArlton Crew" pre '95

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Yes Yes I remember all that RR-My point was that if the Ox had Played the season like a Carey or Jakovich we were a Big Chance. We lost the First six Games because the Ox wasn't there!! How Many Brown paper Bags were Handed out by "TheCArlton Crew" pre '95

You could only hope WYL.

That was the year that Jako, Tingay, Prymke and Charles also went down. So the wheels had well and truly fallen off and while the Ox was a factor there was more to it.

And I can attest that Visy had eight environmental management executives who all just happened (by chance) to play for Carlton.!

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We were a real chance to win a Flag in '95-Make no mistake. The Ox did his Knee during Pre-Season on a Bodgy Ground near the Junction oval. I just remember being Gutted.

Wasn't it up at Albury at Lavington Oval? Or was that the third time he did it?

The second one was at the G against Sydney if memory serves me correct.

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I thought it was the SCG. Mind you, i was about 9

[Sir Why You Little 34,700]

Wasn't it up at Albury at Lavington Oval? Or was that the third time he did it?

The second one was at the G against Sydney if memory serves me correct.

Yes the Second time was defanitely the 'G against bcoz i was sitting not far from his mum & she was Gutted like everyone. The whole 'G went Silent. I am pretty sure his first Injury was close to the Junction but hey it's a long time ago & i Just get [censored] off thinking about it.

Hawthorn are about to start another Dynasty-again. Around that ime both clubs were broke...The MFC still is......

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

There was a thread not so long ago that had something to do with ranking your top 5 heart-breaks as a demons supporter...

Of the generation that have been supporting from about the mid nineties:

Obviously Broady ranked number 1.

2002 semi-final against Adelaide was up there. Trapper's finest footballing hour.

And I think Schwarta probably ranked second in amongst all the others.

We should have a look for that thread sometime... Was a good one.

[Sir Why You Little 34,700]

There was a thread not so long ago that had something to do with ranking your top 5 heart-breaks as a demons supporter...

Of the generation that have been supporting from about the mid nineties:

Obviously Broady ranked number 1.

2002 semi-final against Adelaide was up there. Trapper's finest footballing hour.

And I think Schwarta probably ranked second in amongst all the others.

We should have a look for that thread sometime... Was a good one.

1987 Prelim will always be no 1 Heartbreak no matter what decade you discuss, but yes it would be good to get that thread Back up and running

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No. 5! The Ox!

He will always be my favourite player! Great memories and inspiring too watch. Legend!

Injuries have been greatley cruel to us and denied us great success! What if....

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Tingay is underrated on this site.

Agreed... I put him above Thompson, minus injuries... One of our best genuine mids if not the best, in the same way Ox was our best CHF.

1987 Prelim will always be no 1 Heartbreak no matter what decade you discuss, but yes it would be good to get that thread Back up and running

Couldn't disagree more. Broady HAS to be the biggest heartbreak. All other considerations are secondary, including premierships, when it comes to the lives of the players themselves. But apart from that, yes the '87 prelim has stood the test of time as an incident that left scars hat will last a lifetime.

The only good reason for being born in the 80s, as far as I'm concerned: I missed it.

[Sir Why You Little 34,700]

Agreed... I put him above Thompson, minus injuries... One of our best genuine mids if not the best, in the same way Ox was our best CHF.

Couldn't disagree more. Broady HAS to be the biggest heartbreak. All other considerations are secondary, including premierships, when it comes to the lives of the players themselves. But apart from that, yes the '87 prelim has stood the test of time as an incident that left scars hat will last a lifetime.

The only good reason for being born in the 80s, as far as I'm concerned: I missed it.

Broady's Tragedy did not happen on the Football Field. It was a completely separate incident. Could have happened to any of us.

I miss the Fire Engine as we all do but The 87 Prelim will always for me be the no 1 Football Tragedy..