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Jetta Frost Dunn(Dunn has to play, had great season last year. Two more seasons until Oscar or someone else comes along)Salem McDonald Stretch (I like the HB line, Tmac is a gun defender, spoiler, picks off opposition kicks, needs class either side to dish off to) Vince Tyson Angus (Tyson/Viney need to take the next step. Jones- getting tagged, no longer an excuse) Watts ,?? , Petracca (Watts stays for now?? It's a tough one, produce nothing next year it's all over. Isn't he quick over 20m? Utilise it) Kent Hogan Garlett (need two small/med fwds) Gawn Jones ?? ANB VB Viney ?? Newton? Trengove?? Needs to play a few at Casey.

How many A graders now?? Take out 1-2 year players we have mainly c grade players. We are a mess.

I would add that Grimes and Dawes are not the only thing wrong but they're on good money and there not part of the solution. H is another who's done close to bugger all but we're stuck with him for now. It's sad when your kids are leading the way.

After yesterday we need to let go of a few 1 - Jamar. Retirement 2 - McKenzie. Not AFL standard 3 - Howe. Trade 4 - Garland. Trade for whatever you can get 5 - Toumpas. Trade for whatever you can get 6 - Bail. Delist, hasn't worked out. 7 - Riley. Delist, hasn't worked out. 8 - Grimes. Trade for pick 87 as long as they pick up his salary 9 - Dawes. Trade for pick 88 as long as they pick up his salary 10 - Terlich. Pay out. 11 - Undecided at this stage. These decisions are not based on 1 or 2 games. These are based on years of performances. We need to let go, the sooner the better, they've had plenty of chances. The club and player need some fresh air. Grimes - 7th season. We have 1st year players showing more. Whether you buy into the whole "captaincy ruined his career" or not he is one of the mentally scarred and needs to go. Lost his place across halfback to Salem, in and out of the team, with Petracca, Trengove(??), draft picks, trades to come in next year is there any point of keeping him? Dawes - I'm not joking when I say pick 88. It hasn't worked, I would give him away as long as someone picked up his salary. On a side note I want more from Viney and Tyson next year. They need to take the next step. I'm sick of hearing Jones cops a tag, doesn't everyone have an opponent? Hogan gets double teamed at times. If we were to secure Lynch from the Crows I'd play him with Watts and Hogan rotating through the goal square/half fwd and pushing up the ground. Let's mix it up. Three agile fwds, no more plodders.

Looking at some of the names Toumpas is ahead of....shut it down.

Anyone else agree now? The night must be scrapped after yesterday's performance. They still don't get it.

Watts stays for now, 11 will go at years end. This time next year is another story.

When did the Hogan rumour start? Or is it just ongoing?

From what little I watched of the game yesterday Grimes was ball watching rather than going in to win it. Yes, I know he wasn't alone.

Tmac takes a lot of marks from opposition kicks as being a good reader of the play and gets to contests to spoil effectively. When he marks there should be someone sprinting past for a handball receive.

Well I didn't know that, now it makes sense.

Got to keep Tmac

Dawes Grimes Howe Garland Watts Newton The Prince Toumpas M Jones Bail Terlich Jordie Bail

Post of the year.

The other team wants the no.1 pick yet we are that bad we still can't win.

What just happened?

We've still got two years of moving on 11 players.

Can they move the fence back so the players can lead wider?

Carlton don't want to win.

They don't want to win.

Just remember Carlton don't want to win this game.

We are such a dumb side.

Its amazing how being made captain affected so many aspects of Grimes game - ability to dispose of the footy, footy smarts, leadership. Another one of the "we picked him based on his personality" picks. Any chance he just isn't that good. He's the sub.....again, after being in and out of the side. Look forward to next year with Petracca coming back plus any mids we trade/draft in. I'm thinking the only reason he's even sub is he will be offered up at years end. A very expensive depth player. At 26 still plenty of time to get a fresh start at another club and become the star player many think he is. I doubt if there would be much interest at all for him. While we have him and a couple of others still running out we aren't going anywhere in a hurry.It didn't work, let go, move. I understand many on here will disagree publicly but behind closed doors know it's time for him to go.

It's a match already decided before we even run out..... So why not throw caution to the wind, play on at all costs, attack attack attack.

Arent they on sale for $110.00, then there's the away top, heritage round.....