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Well we would like something of worth in return.

Sorry I'm tired and have missed something. Are GWS and Sydney jumping over us due to academy players or because they will trade out players for picks?

If we are being realistic Dunn stays.

Great post, the only thing left is the players. The sooner we move them on the quicker we turn the ship around.

Do we know where he's going?

Its an interesting one, my mate who's involved with the TAC says their are 5-6 key position players which could go anywhere in the top 15-20 picks based on a clubs needs.Lions - will go KP Blues - will go KP (might lose Kruzer and Hendrrson) Suns - no idea Bombers - MID (have plenty of book ends) Demons - MID Just say we do loose our 2 round pick for Lynch. What do we get for Howe? Where is Howe going.....Giants/Brisbane/Suns?? We want a mid in return.

What more can he do, the players were meant to take ownership, that has failed again. It's the kids busting their guts. Hats of to Luke Beverage but the foundation was laid by McCartney. I recall certain Bulldog players not liking his honest appraisal of their performances, I wonder how honest our coaching panel will be this year. Look at Frawley at Hawthorn and how highly rated he was here. A lot of our senior players are overrated.

The players don't want to make a statement, so hopefully the coaches do. I want big names on the trade table, as I've mentioned earlier wouldn't be too fussed on what we get its all about freeing up cap space.

We got beaten by a team that didn't want to win, it doesn't get any worse.

Heal their scars....?Roos Goodwin McCartney Elite Management (or whatever they are bloody called) Bonding sessions Statement games Lines in the sand It's over, time to move on. The longer we carry these types the longer we serve up crap like yesterday.

I'm bloody serious. How much does this night cost? What's to celebrate? Quick let's organise another team bonding session at Sorrento. What happened to the players taking owning ownership? We are a mess.

Jetta Frost Dunn(Dunn has to play, had great season last year. Two more seasons until Oscar or someone else comes along)Salem McDonald Stretch (I like the HB line, Tmac is a gun defender, spoiler, picks off opposition kicks, needs class either side to dish off to) Vince Tyson Angus (Tyson/Viney need to take the next step. Jones- getting tagged, no longer an excuse) Watts ,?? , Petracca (Watts stays for now?? It's a tough one, produce nothing next year it's all over. Isn't he quick over 20m? Utilise it) Kent Hogan Garlett (need two small/med fwds) Gawn Jones ?? ANB VB Viney ?? Newton? Trengove?? Needs to play a few at Casey.

How many A graders now?? Take out 1-2 year players we have mainly c grade players. We are a mess.

I would add that Grimes and Dawes are not the only thing wrong but they're on good money and there not part of the solution. H is another who's done close to bugger all but we're stuck with him for now. It's sad when your kids are leading the way.

After yesterday we need to let go of a few 1 - Jamar. Retirement 2 - McKenzie. Not AFL standard 3 - Howe. Trade 4 - Garland. Trade for whatever you can get 5 - Toumpas. Trade for whatever you can get 6 - Bail. Delist, hasn't worked out. 7 - Riley. Delist, hasn't worked out. 8 - Grimes. Trade for pick 87 as long as they pick up his salary 9 - Dawes. Trade for pick 88 as long as they pick up his salary 10 - Terlich. Pay out. 11 - Undecided at this stage. These decisions are not based on 1 or 2 games. These are based on years of performances. We need to let go, the sooner the better, they've had plenty of chances. The club and player need some fresh air. Grimes - 7th season. We have 1st year players showing more. Whether you buy into the whole "captaincy ruined his career" or not he is one of the mentally scarred and needs to go. Lost his place across halfback to Salem, in and out of the team, with Petracca, Trengove(??), draft picks, trades to come in next year is there any point of keeping him? Dawes - I'm not joking when I say pick 88. It hasn't worked, I would give him away as long as someone picked up his salary. On a side note I want more from Viney and Tyson next year. They need to take the next step. I'm sick of hearing Jones cops a tag, doesn't everyone have an opponent? Hogan gets double teamed at times. If we were to secure Lynch from the Crows I'd play him with Watts and Hogan rotating through the goal square/half fwd and pushing up the ground. Let's mix it up. Three agile fwds, no more plodders.

Looking at some of the names Toumpas is ahead of....shut it down.

Anyone else agree now? The night must be scrapped after yesterday's performance. They still don't get it.

Watts stays for now, 11 will go at years end. This time next year is another story.

When did the Hogan rumour start? Or is it just ongoing?

From what little I watched of the game yesterday Grimes was ball watching rather than going in to win it. Yes, I know he wasn't alone.

Tmac takes a lot of marks from opposition kicks as being a good reader of the play and gets to contests to spoil effectively. When he marks there should be someone sprinting past for a handball receive.

Well I didn't know that, now it makes sense.

Got to keep Tmac

Dawes Grimes Howe Garland Watts Newton The Prince Toumpas M Jones Bail Terlich Jordie Bail

Post of the year.