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Clearly something is off. Yes they’re undermanned, but this is def a team playing without spirit. I suppose the question re this infighting is who has to go or can it be healed. On zero information I’m guessing that’s it’s prob coming from viney. He gave them a massive rev up pre game and the team started like a soggy lettuce. I’d love to know more but it’s better u don’t say... but I would like to hear what u think needs to happen to sort things out. Goodys got a big job now to get the players back.

Drives the opponents bananas too. I love it.

It started to get “ very worrying” when we almost doubled Geelong i50’s and lost by 80 points back in (was it round 2?) ... and bar a win or two it hasn’t gotten less worrying since. Richmond replaced almost all of Hardwick assistants before he won the flag. You can’t sit on your hands while a year like this unfolds. It would be more worrying for me if they weren’t taking any action.

Great post. I agree that those poor disposals/ turnovers are creating the look of us being way out of position and I agreed with the rest of what you said too. I just don’t understand why our disposal, even under little pressure, has become so much worse this year. And suddenly we can’t kick for goal either. Nor do I understand why our capacity to cover the corridor and think through that kind of situation that was shown in the vision has disappeared. I really don’t get it. Yes we won 2 finals last year and made the prelim from 5th. But in truth we were even better than that. We lost 5 games by under a goal or in super tight finishes anyway. With a bit more luck, Win 2 or 3 of them and we would have finished second. We were VERY capable of winning the whole thing last year. This year we don’t look capable of winning one frikn game.

no way is this true. fmd. horribly thread. however it’s a sad state of affairs when goodys coaching makes people even think this way.

Getting a bit sick of Gary bagging us. Yes, it’s been an unbelievably crap year . No denying it, but it’s also a year we have been absolutely beset by injuries... and that, following on from multiple operations in the off season. The first thing Lloyd said when talking with Bartel and Damo about Essendons horror loss against the doggies was “ they were missing 8 of their best 22” ok he went on to say unacceptable loss etc etc but there it was as a way to start describing the situation. I don’t think there’s been all that many weeks when we’ve had less than 8 of the best 22 out!

I think Goodwin made the decision that Collingwood would be affected more than Melb if that tag was in on grundy. Nothing to do with conceding he was the better player. But, in a year when there’s previous little of my interest left in anything this club do on field, to see max playing his natural game and win that battle would have been good. Seems like whatever string goody tries to pull it backfires, and when it doesn’t we miss easy shots at goal until it does. I know it’s not a part of this thread but 1.4 from Fritsch was just soul destroying.

I agree. But yet, it does surprise me that we haven’t been seriously thrashed on the scoreboard. Something is still there. Some heart beat.... but it’s v faint.

The amount of turnovers , missed kicks, sloppy handballs was just unbelievable. we are seriously a [censored] team

I like him and he at least gives us something to look forward to in 2020. ....but when you kick 1.4 it’s a frikn disgrace. No way bog

Sure we may not be able to pay him the most but he would get the chance to train in the best facilities, with the best medicos, in a team that consistently makes the finals and plays numerous blockbusters in front of big crowds.

That’s tongue in cheek right?

Thanks Nudge. IF this pans out it would do wonders for the membership next year. We almost need an off field coup like this. Anyway....may you or your sources be right , a bit of hope is sorely needed.

Demons to lead at half time! Does the second half really matter anyway.

Interesting. Clearly SOMETHING happened as the team morale has looked low for some time. McCartney does have a history of getting the senior players offside so it wouldn’t surprise. It’s his big failing. If thats correct then I’m SO glad they acted the way they did and didn’t circle the wagons around him as they did w Schwab after 186. This is a team in terrible need of a summer reset, a big change in on and off field personal and a change in captaincy.

Preuss looks like a liability out there in general play. Sooo slow. Good pressure by the dees and, as mistake ridden as it is, I like the style better when we’re focused on attacking like this.n

Think that would be brilliant personally. Whatever you say about JH, he united that team thru incredible diversity and they were playing for him despite it all. Seems like the side is fractured atm...maybe someone like him could help restore unity.

Id love it. he needs experience around him.

Yes and no. Yes disposal is crap but we’re not really setting up fr easy movement of the ball either. Everything looks hard. We’re SO [censored] ... structures, skills. So hard to believe we’re back here again so fast.

Interesting. There’s clearly some kind of disharmony down there.

Are our fwd entries only as bad as the fwds capacity to create space? The fact that we sacked our fwd coach mid season might answer that. However there’s ALSO been an obvious and alarming drop off in skills. Obvious all over the field, in our fwd 50, and in front of goal. So being fair , Vineys shocking efficiency rate may be a mix of his own poor skill, our set ups and the situations he’s getting the ball in. . But In someways he’s become symptomatic of the whole team... win the hard ball , turn it over and watch the opposition run riot with us on the rebound. The big question that’s raised here imo is should he remain captain or co captain next year? For mine he can’t keep the position. Maybe you have him co captain with someone else next year. But, whether it’s a chronic foot, or low skills he just isn’t an onfield leader in any other dept except guts. I, as do many, love him fr that ... but this team is crying out for structural awareness on field and I don’t see him as a leader here.

It’s really poor isn’t it. We didn’t look like this last year tho. I can’t believe they suddenly don’t seem to know what to do w the ball... or if it they do 50% of the time they miscue the execution. It’s hard to watch...and if they do win it will come as a big surprise. As it has done all year.

Well it’s only the dogs today who we’ll easily beat. Our minds are on bigger things. After this it’s into a top 4 clash w WC.. sigh. I miss 2018.

Although I share some of this sentiment, great backlines with smooth movement out of the back half can make average fwd lines look v good. They’re way underdone back there right now and haven’t played together much as a group, but I’ll be looking for glimpses of what we might see and how we set up in the fwd half.

Which would be fabulous prep for 2020 and getting them all to start gelling together as teammates. 4 of that back 6 could play tall or small also. Could be exciting IF the footy gods smile on us, because 2019 is a clear example of what happens when they don’t!