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Think that would be brilliant personally. Whatever you say about JH, he united that team thru incredible diversity and they were playing for him despite it all. Seems like the side is fractured atm...maybe someone like him could help restore unity.

Id love it. he needs experience around him.

Yes and no. Yes disposal is crap but we’re not really setting up fr easy movement of the ball either. Everything looks hard. We’re SO [censored] ... structures, skills. So hard to believe we’re back here again so fast.

Interesting. There’s clearly some kind of disharmony down there.

Are our fwd entries only as bad as the fwds capacity to create space? The fact that we sacked our fwd coach mid season might answer that. However there’s ALSO been an obvious and alarming drop off in skills. Obvious all over the field, in our fwd 50, and in front of goal. So being fair , Vineys shocking efficiency rate may be a mix of his own poor skill, our set ups and the situations he’s getting the ball in. . But In someways he’s become symptomatic of the whole team... win the hard ball , turn it over and watch the opposition run riot with us on the rebound. The big question that’s raised here imo is should he remain captain or co captain next year? For mine he can’t keep the position. Maybe you have him co captain with someone else next year. But, whether it’s a chronic foot, or low skills he just isn’t an onfield leader in any other dept except guts. I, as do many, love him fr that ... but this team is crying out for structural awareness on field and I don’t see him as a leader here.

It’s really poor isn’t it. We didn’t look like this last year tho. I can’t believe they suddenly don’t seem to know what to do w the ball... or if it they do 50% of the time they miscue the execution. It’s hard to watch...and if they do win it will come as a big surprise. As it has done all year.

Well it’s only the dogs today who we’ll easily beat. Our minds are on bigger things. After this it’s into a top 4 clash w WC.. sigh. I miss 2018.

Although I share some of this sentiment, great backlines with smooth movement out of the back half can make average fwd lines look v good. They’re way underdone back there right now and haven’t played together much as a group, but I’ll be looking for glimpses of what we might see and how we set up in the fwd half.

Which would be fabulous prep for 2020 and getting them all to start gelling together as teammates. 4 of that back 6 could play tall or small also. Could be exciting IF the footy gods smile on us, because 2019 is a clear example of what happens when they don’t!

Honestly... prob not. But I do think he’ll have one more big crack to try to get right in the pre season.

he’s been carrying a foot injury too... so time off legs could b helpful for a number of reasons. Hoping we’ve focused all our bad luck and bad kicking fr goal into one year ! So the footy curse can move on to another team in 2020 and leave us free fr one big crack it’ll at it. already looking forward to having him back ready fr a big pre season alongside lever, melksham, May, Joel Smith, VDB ( if he plays again) Hannon and Jetta..

Agreed. There was something in the air in the second half last week. Mids getting frikn reamed at the centre bounces, 2 tackles or something like that in one of the quarters. The stats were alarming and It spoke of a collective lowering of heads. perhaps it was an expression of a collective disappointment that the season is over so soon? Perhaps a collective expression / realisation that goodys plan no longer works? Whatever it was, it was glaring and as an attitude that’s been building for weeks it’s not something that will disappear in a week. Dees to open up an early 5 goal lead then get roped back in and over run in the last. Blues by 5 goals.

Yep agreed. I’m getting concerned we also need a tall forward as weird and tmac and smith define the word mediocrity this year. Do they get better? Who knows. We also desperately need outside run. Suddenly it looks like a real list overhaul.

Well, it’s a positive slant....and one of the v few I’ve read. You were at least there and I wasnt at the game. So I thank u fr that. I can only say that on the tv we looked very casual in approach. Casual in terms of pressure applied, casual in our ball use and , most painfully to me, full of really simple errors. Despite what some say I this forum, I don’t think afl players ever really approach a game casually. But that they gave off that appearance does indicate something. They just seem really out of sorts. something is going on at the club....lord only knows what.

any updates on Dunkleys game? is he approaching ready ? or maybe we just play him in the twos for the rest of the year?.

I have neither legal or medical qualifications but I sat with my mouth open ( when I wasn’t swearing at the tv) in some shock as we let Joel run around fr a half hardly able to move. Forget about all else, that gave us the look of an amateur club . It also revealed our sports medicos as amateur. We’ve done some dumb things as a club w injuries in the past but this was up there w the best of them. Hope he gets a new contract and returns to full fitness. I’m amazed how angry this still makes me tbh.

An interesting stat re cameron. If we put frost on him maybe he can, with his height advantage, knock the ball right out of his area and out of that danger zone if he’s isolated there. I remember eons ago steve Smith was played on Leigh Mathews with a similar role. Smith was thrashing him. That was Up until Mathews king hit him behind play and put him out of the game. But it was working until then!

I agree. Frosty has the pace, agility and stamina to go with him . I’m Remembering his ragdolling of petrocelle a few weeks back. Seems like a strange choice given their different sizes but I can’t even think of who our second choice would be. Jetta is still leaving a hole in this side.

King, twice in a week. Whack on Pert re McCartney and now this. He can say he was right when we change leadership at years end...but the thought that that act cost him the captaincy is utter and out and out stupidity. King tipped us for the flag and feels made a fool of by the club I think, so hes getting his own back. [censored] him.

From the looks, he does a fair bit of terrorising himself and no doubt brings some attention on. suspend him.

I Still think , re watching the vision, that the bigger story was the clear and dangerous milking. Ie dropping the knees and extending the chin w the intention to create head high contact , not the fairly innocuous bump. But yes...It WAS always risky right there in front of the ump, especially when we had a free shot on goal . I wanted to kill jones at the time.If it was a final and we lost he’d never live that down. Its just on watching it a few times I felt the ump just got that SO frikn wrong. Maybe some lingering resentment in me from that west coast game a cpl years ago. when , was it Kennedy? came thru t huddle of players after the half time siren w his elbow raised , whacked Oliver on the chin and he fell. And all the talk was should Oliver b suspended fr diving. Still makes me angry!

Can’t help thinking that if that was Oliver that dropped his knees and fell like that in that jones bump it would have been the headline. Kane Cornes in “ the round so far” rightly pointed out the action and suggested the ump should never have paid that free. It was perhaps clumsy by Jones but not “ Ill disciplined” as his action was v minor. Walters really milked a few frees yesterday ...and tried to attack viney off the ball. Sooner or later the umps will wake up to him.

Agreed but He’s going to be way better than Frawley imo. Much better awareness and kicking.

The dees have got to make a few big calls this off season. Oscar will be line ball. But you may well be right.

And someone who can really kick it too.