Pennant St Dee

Listening to that [censored] Denham this morning couldn't believe how he would not give us credit for getting this kid becuase he can't play for us till 2014. In teh same breath however he had the audacity to compliment the Dogs on targeting young kids who would come on in a few years. It is one thing to have bias towards a club, but he beyond belief. Had the gaul to say even if we prove him wrong next year he will have egg on his face. No sign of any apology Wel done to Joan of Hawthorn and wherever Dave was from who phoned in to have a go at Dopey Denham

WYL he is an elite runner and was not slow in his first two years. He aint no speedster but he is not as slow as he looked at times this year. He has very good game sense and that counts for more than blinding speed. You will grow to love this kid, he is what we desperatley needed and along with Grimes, Viney, Jonesy, Howe, Chip and hopefully the 2012 draftees will become the hear and soul of this club and the reason why people will nominate us as preferred club of choice in the years to come. Get on board brother

Just couldn't help yourself WYL!

Not great news but could have happened at a worse time I suppose. Best of luck JT I know your made of strong stuff

You heard what you wanted to hear, Anderson did not commit either way and it was more a point of saying we will not be rushed in any way and basically media can bleat all they like it wont fast track the investigation

One thing we need to embrace old dee is our history, we are the only supporters in the world who can lay claim to being the oldest football club in the world. We need to remember our heritage and look to the future we can do both. Manchester United who I hate with a passion are currently in their most succesful period and have been since 1993, but those in Football who think of United think of the Busby Babes and the Munich Air Disaster, that is what they are most famous for. I'm all for left side being the past and the right being the future, maybe as a transition we can have Todd Viney and Jack Viney meeting in the middle.

As an investigator I can tell you even if there are no charges identified, before completion and write off every avenue of inquiry identified must be followed. The AFL will want this matter put to bed either way and even if as I suspect there will be no case to answer, Vlad will want to be able to answer all the journalists like Caro and Denham who lead the witch hunt. Look we have been through this before, a thorough investigation was undertaken by an experienced, qualified and world renowned investigative team. On completion of their investigation they issued a final report (which was made available to the media/public). On review of the report you can see the investigators found nothing of concern, which we are happy does not fall outside of list management and/or player experimentation. We are satisfied with the investigation and the process being complete and we have moved on and think it is time everyone in the media did the same. As I said above really for the investigator there is no difference in the process whether there is or isn't a finding of wrong doing. It's just a case of the previous inquiries into tanking allegations being a quick phone call yes/no end of story.

Would be surprised, Richardson is a good player, can he take the next step, not sure but he is very handy around goal and has a nasty streak. Honestly thought his time my have passed him by

Whichever draft it was Pre season or Rookie it was 2008 and Rockliff went in the same draft and had been training with us, our ethos around the period 2008-11 seemed to be Project over Workrate

Bluey the more you post the more it becomes clear what a fookin ejit you are. I'd say returning home may see him locked up for breach of bail. In regards to Jurrah costing us nothing that is true Iin a sense he was a Rookie pick and always was a risk, did he effect our culture well yes in part he did or should I say those who invested in him did, he was another in a long list of project players. Lets not forget we originally were looking at taking a hard working mid who could also play forward at the time. But we didn't and Rockliff went to Brisbane where his hard work paid off. He could have been a handy pick up and provided quality leadership but we will never know

Sorry Bing but what I was trying to say is we don't just fail next year if we lose more than we win there are other things which come into play. In short what I want is for us to be a side who when we start making finals regulalrly are not just there to make up the numbers, earlier this century we made it regulalrly but never threatened seriously. Thats where I see sides like North are at and I don't want to be that!

BB I'm kind of with you but like most on here probably the last 6 years have made me very cautious at setting the bar high. My mates have been asking me where we will finish and I am very non commital, because I have been bitten before. I can see 8 wins without a great amount of improvement on last season's output and realistically expect at least 10 because of the trade and draft period outcomes. The 8 is a distinct possibility and a number of factors will come into play and to be honest the ball is really in our court. I have said on another forum I think we can make finals but if we dont it fo rme is not automatically a failed year. if we ended the season around 12th with 10 wins unlucky to lose 8 (by unlucky I mean within a goal) never beaten by more than 4 goals ran out games strongly showed hardness throughout the team clear indicators the youngsters were stepping up for sustained improvement That for me would be a pass, all I want by the end of next season is no longer having to be optimistic about when and where the improvement were coming form but for it to be obvious it was upon us

Are you serious, There are plenty of kids out there who get up at 5.00am to take a 1 -2 hr hike to work get home around 7 play amatuer sport so train and I'm sure quite a few use drugs on their days off but others don't. And they would give away a limb to be have the opportunity to play AFL. AFL is just another part of society no different to others so they should be afforded no more slack to anyone else, life is hard for most of us but to condone drug use is wrong. With 17 years experience in the Police I have seen many heartbreaking stories from drugs, it kills, tears families apart and makes people do things they normally would not do. n top of that it curtails numerous talented sporting kids aspirations You will never stop them and the 3 strikes policy is about saving face for the AFL nothing else. So in a nutshell it is a problem it's like thinking you can drive because you have only had a few beers, you may be able to function but your reactions will be affected a bit. As for your comment about the hard life these players face, we all chose what we do in life, some of our choices are limited due to talent, ability, genetics and education so please don't take me down the track of how difficult it is. Yes I have done pre season's may be me but I love pain so had no effect on my state of mind made me fitter and sharper. Train hard play hard and enjoy a drink that was me in my younger days but that was a different era, never though did I ever dabble in drugs. Whilst the money is great and the buzz of playing in front of big crowds is attractive it is having such an affect on your health you are becoming depressed and using drugs then like teh rest of us in the workplace you need to be mature enough to make the decision to walk away for your long term benefits. Being in the AFL system did not create the situation for these players, their make up and characteritics were in grained well before they were drafted and is due to their parents, mentors, family and friends. All the AFL drug policy allows is for someone to be able to take the risks without fear of being subjected to public scrutiny or loss of employment that many of the rest of us face. In closing if you feel drugs are not harmful find a kid around 11 to 12 years of age who is a beautiful fun loving child and a bit of a larican, handsome, fit and full of life. Due to circumstances out of the kids control he gets in with the wrong crowd and mum and dad are to pre occupied to care or notice change, a couple of beers and smokes at 13/14 turns to Cannabis you meet the kid a few times over the years, he still seems the same on the outside, lost a bit of weight but seems to be still a bit of a lad. You try and discuss the Cannabis use affects ever person differently and to tread carefully. At 15-17 you realise the kid is out of control, he now looks 30, black circles around the eyes, clothes falling off him and he has no care for his appearance. You meet with the parents and they tell you they cant get through to their kid and he fell in with the wrong crowd, they try their best ( but in your heart of hearts you know they haven't). You offer advice and try and help the best you can. Then one night your working as a cop and you get the call to a collapsed person in a park. You attend and in the freezing cold is a skinny 18 year old up against the wall of a toilet block and a syringe and other drug paraphenalia beside him. You look at him and recognise him and realise this is the end of the line for him, you drive to his parents house and you think back to the 12 year old fun loving kid you met all those years ago. You have to break the news to his parents and there is no eay way to do it you comfort them as best you can but whilst there is no longer the constant worry for them they have lost their only son and you have your first son on the way and know they will never recover. So Tonotopia that story happened to me between 1999-2005 and I still think about that kid and see his face at 12 and the deceased face at the toilet block. It is one of many kids and adults I have seen go this way. I also still see some of the "wrong crowd" he got in with and some have got on with their lives for various reasons. All I'm saying is drugs are harmful no matter what you may think, the harm goes far beyond the user and IMO you need to think a bit more before posting such comments. Garlett does not need an AFL career at this stage, Garlett needs a wake up call, play WAFL for 12 months and realise the chance he has and the choice is his, play 4 good years of WAFL or take the opportunity you have been given, get your finger outof your arse and make them take you next year with no questions asked

Pretty much without trying to be to harsh on the kid he is a poor mans Ashley Sampi

One of the reasons I refer to Cox is the fact I live approx 1500m from Medibank Stadium and saw Cox regularly for East Perth playing and training and he looked like an absolute crab for two years at WAFL Level he played understudy for Gardiner and was nowhere near AFL Level. Gardiner did his PCL against Port in 2003 Cox struggled but by mid 2004 started to come good by 2005 he was excellent and by 2006 he was elite. On initial first appearances Mark Seaby was streets ahead but Cox surpassed him by hard work.Cox was a rookie to which is why I was dead against us using pick 3 or 4 this year on Grundy. So I agree on the cheap pick up of ruckmen

ABC broadcast WAFL so pretty sure if your surf the net or go online you will find some Swan Districts games, please do yourselves a favour and whilst seeing some highlights of Garlett you will see no application or hard work.

I would implore all those discussing Spencers lack of technique in regard to his kicking to review some ealry footage of Dean Cox, absolutley terrible and couldn't get a kick in a street fight. Cox had great heart and work ethic which is the main reason he got himself to where he is So whilst I'm not saying Spencer will end up being a 4 time All Australian Ruckman, very early to call on where he will end up but he obviously has the work ethic given the size he is putting on

Cheers for all the reports everyone very much appreciated. Really pleased to hear how Jetta is progressing always liked this kid, tackles and runs hard and is a player who goes unnoticed because he is not flash but does the team thing. Always felt he just needed an injury free run, he will never be a star but every good side has a couple of Nev Jetta's in it. IMO only and would like feedback from others but a lot of talk about improved skills, I said on some posts last season once fitness improved and players were able to run games out better and deal with fatigue their skills would improve or seem to be improved. It appears on face value the players have come back fitter and just wondering is it a coincidence, with better conditioning resulting in less fatigue and better skills for longer periods, which hopefully will result in less turnovers

Will agree to disagree WYL I think the baove scenario would have us happy if our big names went down and the youngers boys stepped up. Having said all this I really expect improvement and want 10 wins minimum but wanting and getting are two different things

Can someone confirm if NMMNG is Range Rover the former King of starting threads. FFS while we are at it how about we start a thread on the 2016 draft period. 4 months to go before First Bounce

Played a defensive role all year and never got towelled up, was shown a new side to his game by Neeld. This kid will be a very very good player

I wont put a figure on what I would call a fail, (well within reason), other things need to be considered such as who steps up, injuries and can you see sustained improvement and the boys in games for greater length of time as well as an ability to run out games. Lets say if we were to win 8 games, be in another 10 to 12 games for the majority of the game, were within 3 goals for all our losses and clear improvement and right direction obvious to all I think I would be ruing chances missed and calling it a Pass.

Sorry Tonatopia but they do not compare, Darling got a wristy (so to speak) in a tent at school camp and was suspended. Second high profile event was getting king hit in the back of the head. In regards to his footy he was always a big unit as a kid and stood out. When he went to WAFL he struggled against men, hence why he dropped down the draft order as there was concern he could transform schoolboy promise to the next level. Comparing Garlett to Darling is like comparing apples & oranges

Cheers for the update FNQ Demon and hats off to your determination to see the boys train.

Good to see none of these boys are rake thin and looking a few years away from matching it with the the big boys