Pennant St Dee

Thatsall fine but will the AFL hit them with at least a $500k fine for the actions of personell employed by the club, who's actions were not only prejudicial to the AFL but brought the game into disrepute

Another four points putting us to at least 16 for the season at this point, is what I want out of this game. Followed by another postmatch discussion from Alves & Maclure about the new hard edged Dees being a side who are playing consistent hard footy week in week out.

I am sick of this Stop playing the victim old dee and this is not just directed at you it is to others who think we will forever be known as Tankers who gives a fook we need to move on. Everyone in the AFL knows Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond & Hawthorn tanked. A few wins and a good couple of seasons and it will all be forgotten, the public perception changes. Hawks & Pies for obvious reasons are known as strong clubs, Richmond have in two years gone from being the worst team since Fitzroy to the next big thing, Carlton are still thought of as tankers but the microscope is now on the recruiting of a high profile coach. And to finish things off Essendon are now the butt of all jokes to do with drugs and Meth Coast's dodgy past is almost forgotten

Please don't talk common sense on this thread, to many victims on this site who need to harden up and can't see beyond media hype and illogical scenarios. The proof in this case is not in the pudding but in the wording of the findings, they just need to look

FFS just consider their investigatiion & outcome into Damien Oliver, move on & stop worrying. Clayton's investigation will be undertaken boxes ticked and do not believe for one minute our legal team will not have been all over this Speaking of soft it's not the club it's half of demonland HTFU

The Tanking investigation is over, despite what others think the club has shown balls and dared the AFL to find us guilty, I respect Chris for taking a bullet for the club whatever about his comments playing a role in getting us here (which I don't belive is anything other than a conveniant AFL manipulated outcome). All I want to know now is who those Rats/ex board members were who stabbed the club in the back. I have just called up the wife and told her to buy some more memberships for the house to help cover the costs. Time to look towards the footy Go Dees!

Please pass my thoughts on to them Bob. The damage they have done to the club is a disgrace. I want a club my grandkids can follow I want them to wear my Dees jumper when I am long gone, your friends or whatever they are to you tried to jeopardise that and for doing so I can never forgive them. Furthermore tell them not to hide behind any excuse of others bringing this upon the club. It was done and dusted and we were moving on before those with agendas raised it again. If they had the courage of their convictions and were so aghast at what allegedly occured they should have called upon any moral fibre within them to make a stand at the time. If anything we have strengthened our resolve and an us against them mentality out of all of this. As always Go Dees

Love it the club is showing strength.

Sorry Bob that attitude of being good little boys because we get handouts got us into this mess. No more we always held the Ace in this one Essendon have almost given us a full house Time to fight it may be expensive but we wont lose and if it goes to court AD will not be around any longer to hand out retribution

We must fight this to the end, the club will survive if we fight to the end. We will be no more tarnished then those who tanked/list managed before us. If you put your hand up and PG then you become the tarnished club on the tanking issue, win in court and you fall in with Carlton/Collingwood/Hawthorn etc. As others have said sometimes you just have to fight and this is our time Contrary to other opinion the AFL does not hold the aces we do, we are prepared to go to court they do not wish for it to go that far. Don Mclardy at every opportunity has put it out there in a suttle way. We are now not their biggest problem My apologies in advance to Deelanders who don't condone foul language but this is how I feel on the matter "Fook em & bring it on"

I meant to PM you a couple of weeks ago after the FA Cup tie. Followed the Toffees since I was given a jersey when I was four. Always worry about playing your lot in the Cup since you rolled us in around 92/93

I am an Irish Catholic who hates Meth Coast more than I hate Glasgow Rangers such is my contempt for their club

WYL my best mate is a Bombers fanatic, his nephew played for them up until last season. We watch every game between our clubs together with our kids who also wear their our club colours. When the Bombers get done by us he usually goes into a rage, remote controls get smashed and he becomes a sook. I enjoy that as I do every time we beat them but this is different, this goes beyond Essendon this will harm the game

As a young footy supporter in the 80's my intense Hatred for the Hawks & Bombers spouted and grew. I agree with others sometimes it can be great to see other supporters wallow and cop a lot of heat over their club and my initial reaction when this was announced was thank christ we are off the back pages for a day or two. As more news came out I realised two things we will be off the back pages for a fair amount of time, but I also like many of you understand how bad it is when you as a supporter cop it from opposition supporters. I have a lot of empathy for the Bombers fans think back how you felt when in 2007 our future looked very bleak. All I wanted then was for my two sons and hopefully grand children to have a Dees team to follow. This is big make no mistake every Bomber fan will be coming to realise the worst case scenarios could see their club struggling for many years to come, depending upon how they fare they could even become a sponsorship no go area for years to come. That along with a massive debt and interest they will have with their new facilities could see them be looking for handouts for many years to come. I really hope for the sake of footy in general the worst case scenario of systematic doping being uncovered, players outed for two years and Essendon being unable to field a side for two years does not eventuate. Whilst I still hate the Bombers and always will it is not good for the game, fans or sport if this happens

Best of luck with the new arrival Ron. Hope he sees plenty of success in the future years.

Why? nothing really changes, the evidence remains the same and is how a court will see it. IMO a two front attack from the media with the Essendon/Dank inquiry and Melbourne taking any tanking/disrepute charges being brought before the court.

Re Jobe I will be [censored] if the Chas gets stripped and handed to Cotchin, as I was in line for some decent schillachos had he won and I have torn up the ticket

It's not about the memberships, if it was we wouldn't be there it is about the money plain and simple It's not about me being happy it's about seeing the reason for the move into NT

Welcome aboard American Demon, great to be attracting a new member in tough times. I had to wait 7 years to see us play finals, hope you only have to wait 7 months

WYL FFS how many people have to tell you it's not about the memberships. Casey is our membership strategy, NT at this stage is about money and about building the club. It takes several things to make a club strong and everything fits in to the puzzle, 2 games a year by 2015 does not bother me if we get $1.4 million a year for it, thats 1 decent sponsor a year, annual training camps in the North and PR camps with the kids and forming partnerships with the NT Government and maybe NT Tourism board jumps on as a sponsor similar to Hawks with Tassie. That all means greater revenue for the club, to allow us to maintain a proper footy department with a view to achieving and maintaining sustained success/finals appearances & that is where the members will come from. It's not all black & white and as for the heat, whilst I live in Perth & have spent time in the North West I agree it can be energy sapping but good sides will always find a way to win. If we are going to agree to play two games in NT a year I would want two guarantees from the AFL our bye to be a week after one of these games and whilst it kills me to say this living in Perth a second guarantee of only 1 road trip to Perth every season.

Not sure on this, had I not seen Hogan play in the colts finals last year for Claremont with my own eyes followed by us snaring him via mini draft I would have said yes get him at all costs. Hogan is yet to play a league game but I left the prelim final game thinking whoever gets this kid is getting something special to build a team around. IMO with Hogan and Clark as main KPF'S by 2015/16 and Dawesand Howe playing supporting roles we seem sorted with forwards. For me and again its just MO if I could grab any player coming into 2014 it would be Cotchin, I believe by 2015 he will be entering the prime of his career and will replace Ablett as the number 1 in the league. Having said that there is always new kids on the block who come from nowhere but as for Buddy will he ever get back to 2008 form when he grabbed the season by the scruff of the neck.

Cheers once again for all the reports fellow Dees. Two things which make me happy with several reports With the season getting closer intensity seems to be lifting It appears Viney just has what you can't train a willingness to keep going and when you think he is done back for more. I know we have been hearing this about him for a few years but greatto hear he appears to be carrying it over the senior footy Once again thanks feeling positive but also apprehensive as season is getting closer. All part of the journey

It's something Carlton & Richmond used to do, but that's not important right now

This exercise is always difficult and an absolute stab in the dark. Only throwing it out there so I can see how far off I was come September. Pies - Still have a lot of class IMO and should be hurting from last year Hawks - Still number 1 on their day. As above but last 2 years will really burn, If Lake stands up releases pressure on Gibson and Schoenmakers Swans - Because they are the Swans/Bloods always there and we will say come Round 16/17 what about Sydney they are sitting in Top 4 quietly Dockers - Ross Lyon factor although hearing rumours Mundy & Fyfe are struggling to get out on the track confirmation of this will change my opinion Blues - 2011 had them 1 step away from being one of the Top 4, now with Malthouse's defensive mindset I see them as the climbers this year Eagles - Nic Nat struggling extra workload on Dean Cox. Lecras back is a bonus although they are heavily reliant on old heads of Glass & Kerr Crows - Still Solid, Tippet gone but he was not a big factor, the draw of 2012 was easy but midfield is still classy with Thompson, Sloan & Dangerfield, Walker stepped up in 2012. Tigers - Still not sold on them but split between them and the ageing Cats, history tells me two changes to the 8 at least most years so go Tigers ----------------------- Cats - Ageing list will win plenty of games at Kardinia and show glimpses of their past, but Rivers is not Scarlett and the older heads showed signs last year the end is near North - Will show glimpses of form but I only see them as an average side at best and for me will always be around 7th to 12th. Tougher draw this year Dees - Expect improvement and a harder edge and may be biaised putting us above Lions & Bombers Lions - Have rebuilt well since trying to recruit older players to fill holes. Like their coach will be hard to beat and will win their fair share of games Bombers - The honeymoon is over blow torch to be turned on the golden child with Thomo to take over in 2014 Saints - Just think the time has come for a clean out and they were up for a long time Power - They have some talent and will provide nuisance value but IMO a fair way off Suns - I seen them take a few strides forward in the second half of the season and will snare some surprise wins but like Port still a way off Dogs - Finished the second half of last season terribly and look to be heading were we were in 2007 Giants - Second year will be tougher for them and whilst they have some grunt in the players they targetted the opposition know a bit more about them now

I'll trust the club to have him on the programme they feel is right. Good luck to Ollie seemed like a nice kid but any chance we can for once not go down the line of the guy we didn't pick is doing this.