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Jones 8 Vince 7 Hogan 4 Gawn 3 vandenBerg 3 Viney 2

...and some are comparing him to Matt Jones

I took his quitting the VFL as giving up on being drafted. Either he chose not to pursue it any further or was told not to bother. Time to move on I reckon.

I get a little bit embarrassed when people start wetting themselves over SM banter. Then I remember that Ralph et al have build well remunerated careers around that very thing.

Just showed a lack of IQ I thought.

Thanks for the tackles, Pig Dog. Loved your work in that regard. The quintessential "nearly good enough" player with a fatal flaw that we've seen so much of in recent years. It's always a shame when a player who clearly has the mental/toughness side in the game can't quite get over the line, but as a great coach once said, "it is what it is".

Will be staggered if Harmes isn't elevated. Suspect it's just a case of waiting on the outcomes of the others before deciding on terms.

Unsurprisingly for an 18 year old key defender, needs to spend the pre-season locked in the gym. Promising start though. I expect the more physically ready Frost to play ahead of him 2016, allowing him to quietly chip away at his weaknesses as Casey. How it should be with all under-developed players ideally.

Watch the second goal in the vid HH linked. It's more than just a "Joe the Goose" - he started on the HBF behind Lumumba and worked in to be an option in every step of the play. Agree that he's got a way to go and like his best mate Billy, has a truckload of physical development to do before he's true AFL threat. I'm bullish though, he has the tank, ethic and desire to make it. I think he will.

Was a bit torn on the result last night. 1) I thought the idea of both WA sides sinking in the prelims was delightful and 2) North making the granny from 8th is a great effort. However, on the flipside, 1) North have no hope against Hawthorn where as West Coast might, and 2) Brad Scott. I think I'm happy enough with the result. Shame about the umpiring though. Barracking for West Coast next week, reluctantly.

I don't care about his attitude, I only care about the fact that he's looked well below standard any time I've seen him.

I accept I'm probably just being mislead by a poor season, but I don't think he has any elite attributes. I don't think he's quick, tenacious or clever enough to be a high impact forward and his engine will prevent him being a mid. Has time on his side to work on his weaknesses, but I'm not confident.

This logic is just saying "NQR A wasn't delisted, therefore we did wrong by delisting NQR B". No - the wrong thing has been not to delist NQR A. Both players should be delisted. For the record, thiere is still plenty of time for NRQ A to be delisted anyway and I expect he will, so it's a moot point.

? If you reckon the coach whips out a spreadsheet with everyone's salary on it before picking the side, I reckon your reasoning is silly. His job is to pick the best side and leave the administrative crap like salaries to others. Unless you're suggesting Josh Mahoney picks the side - which is also pretty silly.

Doubt the coach gives a fat rat's clacker what the players' salaried are when he's picking the side, song.

I agree that he ought to be kept. Just offering a simple explanation to the question so many people seem to be scratching their heads over (why Dawes seems to get picked first).

Er...?

Honestly, why? If you're finished with the conversation, you are quite welcome to stop reading it.

Both your questions could probably be answered with the same answer: the people in charge don't share your view on this player.

Yep. I made the decision a while ago to disengage on this topic because of that.

Pretty disappointing, I thought. Like Michie, is finely balancing on the "almost good enough" line that Riley fell just on the wrong side of. Doesn't look to have the running ability necessary to make it. Loves a goal, though. Has another year to change our minds.

Thanks for the goss GD. Wonder if I'm the only one who skipped all the Wines stuff and got straight to the Hartlett bit If we land Hartlett I will be stoked.

Yep. As for the injury history that others have raised, he's played 66 of a possible 71 games in the last three seasons including 22 of 22 this year. Not a factor.

Will not find himself on the fringes, even if he has a slow start to 2016.

It's completely pointless, stuie.