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Yeah, I thought someone may suggest that. Agreements are made within clubs one year about a players whilst assessing who may also fit their list demographic in future years. This is also contingent on contractual status of said players in future years (or the current year). I'll be clear - deals for one player where there appears to be 'overs' paid, is more of a payment upfront to get something down the line, be it one, two or three years, if an in principal agreement is made with player still on the list of the club. The AFL market place operates inside a vacumn, you cannot be screwing another team over, because literally the AFL will not allow for that. AND there may be some years before you cash your initial down payment.

jeez, you are a punitive bloke aren't you. I can't help but see this deal as inextricably linked to Hogan's last year. Bell, in a new position came in and did his theatrics for the media, but remember it is a closed market, clubs deal with clubs year in year out, hence good relationships need to be maintained and would be maintained behind closed doors - sometimes you give a little (or what appears to be a lot) and then you get something back in another year.

I would suspect there has been an' in principle agreement' with someone(a few someones) for sometime to fill the small forward void, hence the delisting notified straight away. Mahoney/Goodwin have a history of getting their trades done, early and with minimum of fuss due to very good relationship building over a long period of time.

I'm not worried about how we are seen amongst the broader community - supporters opinions do not influence the day to day running of the club, or strategic list management, or winning premierships, etc etc etc etc..

is it clear that we are not @dazzledavey36?

with that statement - like your handle pal - u got to be kidding, yourself... please link how supporters comments influence the melbourne football clubs 'naffness'. ps... just on Petracca. Any club in the league (including Melbourne) asks about everyone whom they think could fit their list profile, so it's a bit like hitting the dancefloor as a single person, and you see someone grooving around in a hot outfit - you only take em home, if they're keen too... Surely as a football society - we have moved on from the romantic notion of a Chris Grant version of loyalty, from both players to clubs and clubs to players.

You know Josh Mahoney is from Williamstown?

most posts infuriate me @praha, and on this one - I concur. apols for the backhander...

My thoughts on the Alan Richardson appointment is more about how he is perceived by a playing group 30-35 years younger than him. The aura of Roos, Clarkson etc is runs on the board/premierships from a coaching perspective, I am dubious he will be fully respected, irrespective of his knowledge, lived experience and nice blokeness.

Everything in moderation - it was lovely in 2018 not having trade speculation as the most exciting part of the year... but we are back to what we know and love best

I am looking forward to the country football-esque score of the larger regional town, vs the township that we used to get on the ABC Country Football League Wrap Up on Saturday evenings. And, in the Western District Football League Heywood: 37.16 Bessiebelle: 0.3 and the Dee's are Bessiebelle

Oh mate, your posts are so so cryptic. plain english please.

Well, if as you have alluded to, that Mahoney goes - Pert is making his (and stakeholders he is accountable to) agenda quite clear.

@dazzledavey36 - i enjoy your input dazzle - please help me understand why though?

Did you friend discuss the details of what they were peeved about in particular? Was it about how he operated in relationships or more pragmatics about systems/structure/decisions making that impacted the players? As an add on - not being part of the cohort means your opinion that is sought, may be entirely dismissed (knowing this as it is a directly lived experience) - ie: you are valued...only to a point that it goes with what wants to be heard.

@Rusty Nails (or anyone who brings it up). Can you do me a favour mate and explain how curses work in general, and then more specifically how the Norm Smith one influences the current day FD, or individual athletes.

Cat...amongst...pigeons

With it being a formality and all, what is his nickname then? (what is it currently, surely not Karl)?

BUT I WANT CONFIRMATION OF DEVELOPMENT NOW!!!

Nope, these individuals who I've never met, owe me everything. I am a stakeholder don't you know. They don't know what it is like to support a team that has never one a GF in my life time. Our culture stinks, its the curse don't you know it's the curse. So these humans, who are supposed professionals, don't know what it is like to support a team, they are merely employees of an enitity that is symbolic to anything that is meaningful in my life ,hence my indignant rage at these people whom I have never met whom owe me every thing. Did I mention they owe me everything?

my first thoughts exactly @Wells 11. Jettison the coach to retain the players..

Great thread. I'm a reflective type of guy. This sums up my relationship with the Dee's this year lyrics below No more carefree laughter Silence ever after Walking through an empty house Tears in my eyes This is where the story ends This is goodbye Knowing me, knowing you (a-ha) There is nothing we can do Knowing me, knowing you (a-ha) We just have to face it This time we're through Breaking up is never easy, I know But I have to go Knowing me, knowing you It's the best I can do Memories, good days, bad days They'll be with me always In these old familiar rooms Children would play Now there's only emptiness Nothing to say Knowing me, knowing you (a-ha) There is nothing we can do Knowing me, knowing you (a-ha) We just have to face it This time we're through Breaking up…

Fixed for you @Kent As the "great man" Gary Lyon would say - "it's about the body of work". Goodwin, as you well know took a team to a prelim, less than a year ago, and there has been a range of extenuating factors as you also know. Ross, Bolton, Richardson - nope.

@Rusty Nails - 'Mate' - it's never the club as a whole per se - it's individuals decision making at the time... it's a fallacy to mix the two.

Er, yep, lets look at numerous games last year... look, its the end of the season, the cannae be fekked...im cool with that... the team owe me nothing, and I've been a paid up member since birth (thanks dad).