Sure our skills were off in the first quarter against Carlton but it’s clear there has been improvement so far in the confidence and execution of both field and goal kicking?

Lets wait.

10 minutes ago, Dee Terminator said:

Sure our skills were off in the first quarter against Carlton but it’s clear there has been improvement so far in the confidence and execution of both field and goal kicking?

10 minutes ago, Dee Terminator said:

Sure our skills were off in the first quarter against Carlton but it’s clear there has been improvement so far in the confidence and execution of both field and goal kicking?

If there has been improvement, we are still a long way from being at the standard required.

I don't think there is one currently.

JVR in an interview I think on SEN the other week said its just been Chaplin who has been coaching him with goal kicking. He did mention Chocco being a big help too but yeah I don't think we have at the moment. Was talk about Hawkins coming down part time like Scarlo but haven't heard anything more about that.

Maybe no kicking coach is the way.

9 minutes ago, Petal said:

Maybe no kicking coach is the way.

Goodwin coached all the natural dare and adventure out of the players. I've got no doubt that the players were overcoached in recent times.

I'm sure a lot of them appreciate just being able to play football on instinct occasionally.

1 hour ago, poita said:

Goodwin coached all the natural dare and adventure out of the players. I've got no doubt that the players were overcoached in recent times.

I'm sure a lot of them appreciate just being able to play football on instinct occasionally.

Possibly some truth to this but there’s little doubt the inability of our 3 inside mids to hit a target must have been incredibly frustrating as he tried to change the way we played. I’m also a believer that coaches reach a use by date at clubs. Over the journey he was a fantastic coach.

No Clarry or Trac

Suddenly some nice kicks through the middle hitting targets

No coincidence

We are 2-1 and have beaten 2 teams I think we are better than. Lets knock off some contendors.

9 minutes ago, DubDee said:

No Clarry or Trac

Suddenly some nice kicks through the middle hitting targets

No coincidence

You can add Viney to that poor connection culprits list

This isn’t ‘craft training’ - this is getting the ball in the hands of better kickers.

Pickett, Steele, Lindsay, Langford, Windsor, Sparrow 84 kicks either elite or neat and to advantage.

Vs

Petracca, Oliver, Viney, (even Rivers…😬) 50 dump kicks

I know this is reductionary reasoning but it’s the crux

The biggest key to better kicking is better running. Guys are presenting clear options which the kicker is drawn to, the kicker then has more confidence and a bigger margin of error.

And our goal kicking on the weekend was the perfect illustration of how ball movement creates better shots, which equals goals, which increases confidence and then you start kicking them from everywhere.

Vs the first half, missed shots create more dump kicks and more missed shots.

25 minutes ago, rpfc said:

This isn’t ‘craft training’ - this is getting the ball in the hands of better kickers.

Pickett, Steele, Lindsay, Langford, Windsor, Sparrow 84 kicks either elite or neat and to advantage.

Vs

Petracca, Oliver, Viney, (even Rivers…😬) 50 dump kicks

I know this is reductionary reasoning but it’s the crux

Steele is ok but hes not elite

11 minutes ago, Bowserpower said:

Steele is ok but hes not elite

He’s neat. The only elite kick we have is Kozzy. And Fritsch when he cares.

It's nice to be 43.32 to the oppo's 43.44.

Last year we were 271.276 and the oppo was an absurd 300.238 which was nuts.

Early days, but good things happen when you're accurate.

Round 1 V St Kilda was the sort of game we would've lost last year when it boils down to accuracy or lack thereof for both sides.

I think what @rpfc said above is correct, plus I also think we are making much more of an effort to get the ball outside first, not just bang it long for field position like we did in our ‘contest and defence’ days.

It stands to reason that if you can get the ball to a player in space they have more time to execute = better skill execution.

44 minutes ago, rpfc said:

He’s neat. The only elite kick we have is Kozzy. And Fritsch when he cares.

I would add Bowey when fit to this list

3 hours ago, Dee Terminator said:

Sure our skills were off in the first quarter against Carlton but it’s clear there has been improvement so far in the confidence and execution of both field and goal kicking?

MFC site says “Taylor Whitford Head of Development, Rory Atkins Development Coach”.

Not to be rude but why did you start this thread? Is the lid off already?

6 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The biggest key to better kicking is better running. Guys are presenting clear options which the kicker is drawn to, the kicker then has more confidence and a bigger margin of error.

And our goal kicking on the weekend was the perfect illustration of how ball movement creates better shots, which equals goals, which increases confidence and then you start kicking them from everywhere.

Vs the first half, missed shots create more dump kicks and more missed shots.

To my eye another reason for the more accurate kicking is the leading patterns are into areas creating shots from much better positions. For some seasons Goody was training them to lead out to the boundary in case the opposition got the ball so it was harder for them to rebound from the boundary. Whereas now the philosophy seems to be lets put ourselves in a better position to score and with quick ball movement and separation we don't have to worry about the opposition getting the ball and clearing too easily.

6 hours ago, Bowserpower said:

Steele is ok but hes not elite

True, but he knows it, has the humility to accept it, and makes decisions accordingly.

10 hours ago, DubDee said:

No Clarry or Trac

Suddenly some nice kicks through the middle hitting targets

No coincidence

Petracca's been pretty good this year.

Also - decision making is easier to get better at than kicking skill.

If you can teach someone to take an extra second and make a better decision - it looks like it’s skills but it’s just a better decision under pressure.

And that’s what performance is; execution under pressure.

@DubDee - another T-shirt…

I think this is due to mindset. With less fear and stress over outcome comes more relaxed and effective kicking. This suggests great belief in what the coaching group is teaching versus the old regime where so many almost had "failure scarring" and were so tense when trying to execute. Think of all those sprayed shots at goal in final quarters over the last few years when games were there for the taking. Let's hope it continues to improve.

20 hours ago, DubDee said:

No Clarry or Trac

Suddenly some nice kicks through the middle hitting targets

No coincidence

How awesome is it to see Koz's bullets and deft floaters rather than Trac and Clarry's bombs? It's the biggest difference I've noticed in our game. Intention and efficiency rather than just optimism.

20 hours ago, joeboy said:

You can add Viney to that poor connection culprits list

I genuinely worry how Viney's going to fit back into the side when he's fit... we need his work and grunt, absolutely, but not his kicking.