1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Disagree with the embarrassing part for them.

They could easily change the narrative that they are a caring and compassionate club and put their players first, when family situations require assistance.

No one blames a club for allowing a player to return home for true family reasons.

Players and Managers respect that.

This stance to me will scare off potential players and even anger BH team mates and is a culture killer.

I would not be shocked if BH is traded to us and not surprised if he isn’t.

If they do keep him, I hope it is a culture killer for them and scuttles their year.

The only mistake GC have made is not realizing that when BH does go home, their picks will have little value in the Tassie drafts

also when he has us picks of sides, he won’t be choosing the bottoms ones

Their return won’t be worth it, Better to cash in now

but the only team in the league easier to swindle than Gold Coast is Melbourne so we clearly did not fight hard enough and we accepted for a while we’re not getting him

Club has known that for a while and now it seems we’re giving in to GC demands of later picks as well

this is why bottom clubs will always be bottom

Edited 11 hours ago11 hr by Deez21

25 minutes ago, Demonland said:

My read on these situation is they only make these things public once the either know or are fairly confident that the trade can get done. The assumption in this case if the rumours that have been posted here are true is that he has requested a trade privately to GC. GC have continually said no.

spot on. Imagine Bailey coming out and saying he wants to be a dee and for it to be shot down, then to ask next year that he wants to become an "X team". Makes him look quite silly

5 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

spot on. Imagine Bailey coming out and saying he wants to be a dee and for it to be shot down, then to ask next year that he wants to become an "X team". Makes him look quite silly

But he can just request a trade back home without specifying a club. I think BH has not come out publically out of respect for his club and team mates. Sucks for us, but he is not throwing his club under the bus despite how significant the draw back home is.

24 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

How could we have framed it differently to put us into a position where we had leverage?

By simply disregarding tracs preference for his new home. We promised we would facilitate a deal in the best interests of melbourne which is true. However we went all in on Bailey and hence why we asked GC to get involved. I just feel these conversations with Baileys manager and GC should have happened prior to trade and therefore we could have sold trac to the highest bidder. Just my thoughts anyway. If he is desperate to get out, he should be open to going anywhere including the eagles if it had to be

Yeah in hindsight we could have sent him anywhere or used other clubs as leverage.

1 minute ago, Demon Forever said:

By simply disregarding tracs preference for his new home. We promised we would facilitate a deal in the best interests of melbourne which is true. However we went all in on Bailey and hence why we asked GC to get involved.

This fundamentally misunderstands how AFL trades work under the system that they operate in. It also is not what actually happened.

@Slartibartfast , you were right about this guy. 👎

4 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

By simply disregarding tracs preference for his new home. We promised we would facilitate a deal in the best interests of melbourne which is true. However we went all in on Bailey and hence why we asked GC to get involved. I just feel these conversations with Baileys manager and GC should have happened prior to trade and therefore we could have sold trac to the highest bidder. Just my thoughts anyway. If he is desperate to get out, he should be open to going anywhere including the eagles if it had to be

My strategy would now be: Get Essendon involved on a deal as they are willing to pay Zac Bailey more than we are paying Trac and see if it makes GC blink. Zac Merritt could then go to the hawks and Essendon would be compensated for it.

The calibre of this draft is the real shame. If in any other draft Gold Coast just needed points for academy players so were willing to trade out 2 top 10 picks this would be a massive win-win. They even gave up pick 6 last year for Dan Rioli. Unfortunately timing couldn’t be worse.

1 minute ago, Axis of Bob said:

This fundamentally misunderstands how AFL trades work under the system that they operate in. It also is not what actually happened.

@Slartibartfast , you were right about this guy. 👎

At no point did I say that this is what actually happened. I was stating this is what i would do. Maybe reading isnt your game 👎

I am well aware of the system in which players operate under.

Trac is contracted and if he really wants out, we have the right to shop the best deal for him wherever that is. Trac then has the right to accept the destination or remain at the club that he is contracted at.

Edited 11 hours ago11 hr by Demon Forever

Just now, Roddog said:

The calibre of this draft is the real shame. If in any other draft Gold Coast just needed points for academy players so were willing to trade out 2 top 10 picks this would be a massive win-win. They even gave up pick 6 last year for Dan Rioli. Unfortunately timing couldn’t be worse.

It is. However no matter if Trac stayed or not, we are not contending for at least 3-4 years. So i dont actually see the benefit of keeping Trac especially given his negative influence on club culture.

The real win would have been to snare BH as part of the deal with another pick. But we just dont have the negotiating ability to make that happen.

Still two top 10 picks will get us some solid depth.

9 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

However we went all in on Bailey and hence why we asked GC to get involved.

👍

17 hours ago, Yarra Valley Demon said:

The powers that be keep enabling him to ruin our future though

That’s because Tim doesn’t work in isolation, he has his say but it has to be agreed by the recruitment team.

12 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

At no point did I say that this is what actually happened. I was stating this is what i would do. Maybe reading isnt your game 👎

I am well aware of the system in which players operate under.

Trac is contracted and if he really wants out, we have the right to shop the best deal for him wherever that is. Trac then has the right to accept the destination or remain at the club that he is contracted at.

Was Walter ever brought up in conversations?

Doing a great job DF 👍👍

Just now, Roy Boy said:

Was Walter ever brought up in conversations?

Doing a great job DF 👍👍

This has always been my question, feels a lot more gettable than BH given the squeeze they have in forward line and that he was left out of team late last year. Would be amazing for us but have heard very little of him even being mentioned.

1 minute ago, Roy Boy said:

Was Walter ever brought up in conversations?

Doing a great job DF 👍👍

Asked about but shut down even harder than Bailey.

2 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

Asked about but shut down even harder than Bailey.

ok stuff them then bring Trac back we can trade him next year. wont get as high draft picks as 7/8 but stronger draft so even one top 10 pick be valuable.

The only consideration to not telling GC to f off is we might want to revisit next year either Walter of BH. May not want to burn bridges

1 hour ago, Demon Forever said:

Thats the problem. They are clearing the books for next year and need Oliver and Trac to go.

We have lost all leverage. We could have framed it differently to put us in a position whereby we had more leverage but this hasnt happened. We hedged our bets on Bailey thinking it was going to get done, but the position of GC has put a halt to this.

The only leverage we had was to hold Trac to his contract and it sounds we were not going to do that

and it sounds GC knew we were not going to do that

4 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

Asked about but shut down even harder than Bailey.

was that pre or post JUH

Just now, roy11 said:

was that pre or post JUH

post. JUH is no certainty and hence the heavily claused contract

20 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

At no point did I say that this is what actually happened. I was stating this is what i would do. Maybe reading isnt your game 👎

I am well aware of the system in which players operate under.

Trac is contracted and if he really wants out, we have the right to shop the best deal for him wherever that is. Trac then has the right to accept the destination or remain at the club that he is contracted at.

Makes sense - except surely taking that approach means we end up with even less leverage. We're shouting "We want him out". It encourages more clubs to talk to him... but then Hawthorn convince him to want to come to him but they are offering less than anyone else. He then doesn't want to accept who we want him to and we're left weighing up keeping him or trading him for well unders. I just think we'd get screwed further with this approach?

22 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

👍

Absolutely we went all in on Bailey. Its there for everyone to see. That did happen I assure you

2 hours ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

A perfect storm that pretty much could only happen to us.

A drought-breaking premiership we couldn't see (in person) because of a....once in a lifetime pandemic.

Two generational talents pi**ed away because of a perfect storm of player behaviour/a self-preservation coach/broken and spineless board/gutter rat media who don't give the same scrutiny to other clubs, life-threatening injury and perhaps in the background some family issues.

Loss of guys like Mac due to the AFL hilariously changing the rules, then changing them back.

Norm Smith's curse lives on, flag or not!!

Nah.... The '21 flag was sublime, especially the part after Bontempelli's victory goal. There is no entitlement to follow-up premierships, just ask StKilda. We are living in times where AFL head office are trying to force-feed a flag into franchise rugby states. At least there is the fig-leaf of compensation, not like the old days when Barassi, Alves, Wells, Keenan etc could just walk out the door.

Well guys this threads been pretty fun. Same time next year?

Just now, LePig said:

Well guys this threads been pretty fun. Same time next year?

I think we can close it considerably sooner next year, when he comes out and publicly nominates Hawthorn

Edited 10 hours ago10 hr by Mickey