28 minutes ago, nextskipclaz said:

Happy to reiterate for those who don’t understand football and energetics

What are you referring to when you say energetics? Do you understand energetics?

2 hours ago, Fritta and Turner said:

Sestan. And thats more to do with my romantic notion of fulfilling your dream to play AFL.

I saw Ollie at the game yesterday, and his cheek is still swollen, and he believes he is 2 weeks from playing. He aims to be back for the first week of finals at Casey.

33 minutes ago, Hopeful Demon said:

Lol 'go nuts.' Mate, yesterday was the most fun I had at the football in a long time and I am super excited for what the next two weeks hold.

As for 'bagging' Goodwin, I have not once made any personal comments about him at all. My recent criticisms towards him were to do with his coaching and methods. That should be totally acceptable on a public forum. Not to mention that in the past I have also acknowledged the good work he has done and I have stuck up for numerous players when I felt like they were unfairly attacked.

I find it funny how you always lecture people on how to behave yet you can be just as personal and antagonistic as anyone else.

48 minutes ago, nextskipclaz said:

The last censored word was a synonym for a little cat. 🐱= dee supporters

We’re KITTENS! Cool! I love kittens

34 minutes ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Maybe you should heed that last sentence, honestly it is boring hearing you defend everything MFC.

While I like a lot of your content, and admire your loyalty, it must get boring to have to defend them at every given opportunity? Right or wrong we all have different views.

7 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

I'm a cat fanatic so I find that really wholesome. Thank you. I'm glad we've finally made up with something that we both like.

57 minutes ago, nextskipclaz said:

Happy to reiterate for those who don’t understand football and energetics

Kade Chandler [censored] blocks our flow, and

Here’s why:

1. He plays with an insecurity that he masks by overgesticulating, applauding other players, pointing and remonstrating, and keeping a ‘hopeful’ look about him.

2. His insecurity shows up in these ways and more: hesitant to move the move on once he marks it (last qtr should have gone to petty on the wing. Hesitated and then petty made the same lead but with less space and the mark was spoiled), overruns footy and/or opponent consistently making himself a desperate scrambly ‘looking’ player but with very meagre effect.

3. He is a limited player. You might think he has upside, but the truth is he will only ever get so far. He will have 4 decent games a year and they will be always a result of having a [censored] one the week before - which is old melbourne standards - rather than being consistently contributory on a level of substantial significance within game.

4. Why be so Kade Chandler positive (like EVERYONE in the demon community). I understand he’s cute and has a nice smile and you think he’s contributing to vibe, but actually he makes our grand purpose less sincere and less potent. He dulls our will to will with his paraded perkiness. He tries to be an energiser bunny because his footy is Carlton b grader standard. We have enough energiser bunnies with our youth.

5. demon fans need to realise what is holding us back so we can move forward, and a better more consistent player in Kade chandler’s position would do wonders for our success

6. It’s no shade on Kade. It’s just : trade out players like that, and bring in non-insecure beasts like Dylan Moore , Shawn mannagh or whatever his name is. Some real solid smart no frills half forwards who actually [censored] impact.

7. I know that dees fans will hate this and that’s because they are largely [censored]

8. Tysm

Are you the philosopher guy who a few weeks back posted a similar thesis about how Chandler is at the core of our various issues?

Or do we now have a second person who has a particularly 'curious' take on young Kade?

According to all the experts Trac & Oliver are finished.

Said experts predicted Pies too old in 2022 and Cats in 2021!

A new coach and a few new players can have a transformative impact!

That’s what I’m hoping happens!

Go Demons!

8 minutes ago, D4Life said:

According to all the experts Trac & Oliver are finished.

Said experts predicted Pies too old in 2022 and Cats in 2021!

A new coach and a few new players can have a transformative impact!

That’s what I’m hoping happens!

Go Demons!

New coach, new impetus.... yes can certainly happen.

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

New coach, new impetus.... yes can certainly happen.

Being time poor over simplified things!

A new coach typically brings some new assistants, perhaps new fitness people etc., can all add to making a difference.

Player wise, a good draft pick, a father/son, the right trade and some luck with a left field late draft pick and you can pick up four players that make you better!

I feel Hawks have done this exceptionally well with Chol, Gunston, Dear and some of their vfl picks! Then last year added battle & Barass!

30 minutes ago, JTR said:

Are you the philosopher guy who a few weeks back posted a similar thesis about how Chandler is at the core of our various issues?

Or do we now have a second person who has a particularly 'curious' take on young Kade?

Same person. It's a weird take.

When he first unleashed his views on Chandler I was convinced that young Kade must have either bonked this bloke's missus or run over his dog. Or perhaps run over his missus or........

Weird take 😕

5 minutes ago, Go the Biff said:

Or perhaps run over his missus or........

Is that hat energetics is?

2 hours ago, Brownie said:

I wonder too if the habit of leading through the centre square has been drilled out of them. I.e. why bother calling for it in the middle.

We are a predictable hug the boundary line team as we leave defence almost always.

The only time we went hard and fast was off turnovers off half back which was great to see.

Apart from using turnover opportunities, we just don't seem to use the centre corridor much at all.

Looking forward to a new coaching group

Quite possibly Brownie. We seem hell bent on heading boundary far too often although there are times we look to hit up Max in the middle which Adams did superbly at one point yesterday. But that's a set play.

The general instinct (instruction?) seems to be to play everything wide as you say and most players point / move in that general pattern which is sad to witness when you see so much space open in the middle (at times) and a player all on his own that could easily buck the trend and lead there whilst two or three others are all running to the usual skinny side spots and dragging their opponents there as well.

One can only hope the next coach is alot more innovative in this regard amongst other methods / way of playing.

Another example of how the dare / flare appears to have been coached out of some within the group. Turner outpointing Noughton in a 1 v 1 yesterday. Reads the ball beautifully for the intercept at CHB. Has a meter on Noughton after marking, open field and an immediate 'Play on' rebound option ahead of him to take us quickly into 50 and catch the Doggies out on the sling shot. But instead hesitates, takes a number of steps to get back behind Noughton on the mark, then tries to pick out a player on the switch (angle sees ball going backwards!) which he misses, intercept...Doggies goal.

Potentially a draw if we avoid the turnover in that instance in the worst place on the ground and maybe even the win if we take it down and just score a point!!

Players second guessing themselves and hesitant to take the game on is not going to win you many of the close matches imv (ie., going into their shell too early). That needs to be stamped out pronto during the pre-season and 2026 by the next coaching group.

Would much rather see more of them playing with confidence, dare, flare when they win the ball back wherever possible, hopefully resulting in slick quick transition footy, whilst at the same time maintaining some structure and defensive aspects behind the ball as best as possible for when we cough it up in transition. It's def a hard balance to get right but at the moment i feel we are skewed a little too much to the defensive / conservative side in general.

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49 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Quite possibly Brownie. We seem hell bent on heading boundary far too often although there are times we look to hit up Max in the middle which Adams did superbly at one point yesterday. But that's a set play.

The general instinct (instruction?) seems to be to play everything wide as you say and most players point / move in that general pattern which is sad to witness when you see so much space open in the middle (at times) and a player all on his own that could easily buck the trend and lead there whilst two or three others are all running to the usual skinny side spots and dragging their opponents there as well.

One can only hope the next coach is alot more innovative in this regard amongst other methods / way of playing.

Another example of how the dare / flare appears to have been coached out of some within the group. Turner outpointing Noughton in a 1 v 1 yesterday. Reads the ball beautifully for the intercept at CHB. Has a meter on Noughton after marking, open field and an immediate 'Play on' rebound option ahead of him to take us quickly into 50 and catch the Doggies out on the sling shot. But instead hesitates, takes a number of steps to get back behind Noughton on the mark, then tries to pick out a player on the switch (angle sees ball going backwards!) which he misses, intercept...Doggies goal.

Potentially a draw if we avoid the turnover in that instance in the worst place on the ground and maybe even the win if we take it down and just score a point!!

Players second guessing themselves and hesitant to take the game on is not going to win you many of the close matches imv (ie., going into their shell too early). That needs to be stamped out pronto during the pre-season and 2026 by the next coaching group.

Would much rather see more of them playing with confidence, dare, flare when they win the ball back wherever possible, hopefully resulting in slick quick transition footy, whilst at the same time maintaining some structure and defensive aspects behind the ball as best as possible for when we cough it up in transition. It's def a hard balance to get right but at the moment i feel we are skewed a little too much to the defensive / conservative side in general.

Yep, I'm with ya DD.
And I get the tactic of wide kickouts from the goal square into the flanks to negate risk.
That's playing the percentages but yeah, I think our hand and footskills have erroded and so has our player's confidence to thread the needle and take the game on.

Disco would normally be a great rebounder, our last quarter and going into our shells really cost us dearly against the saints.

We've got a pretty solid list, I'm loving the idea of watching our team take the game on next year.

In the words of the wonderful band Cable Ties -
And it might be hopeless but I've gotta try it
It's better than lying down and bringing on our fate

5 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Pre-game on MMM Chaplin declared they planned to be more attacking.
And I thought .... Good.

More attacking than the previous week where we kicked 10 goals in a quarter, had our highest score for the season, scored 3 goals from a kick out and repeatedly went thru the corridor - including a carbon copy of the play down the middle yesterday (ie kick out to Max in the centre square, who gives off to a running player and kicks inside 50)

And two weeks after going all out attack against the Saints for three quarter, kicking 13.8 by 3 quarter time?

I was amazed that ( as far as I remember), Jed Adam’s only had one kick-in.That kick went 60m to Gawny in the centre…..probably our best for the year.

So he was relieved of kick-in duties. Perhaps it was against club policy to kick in up the corridor

It reminds me of the brainless tactic( of all clubs), of taking a guy off immediately after he kicks a goal. Laziness by the coaching staff, because it gives them more time to arrange their interchanges.We could gain a small advantage on all other clubs by abandoning this habit.

7 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Maybe the mind set etc..

You're not stupid... don't act it

Really?

Oh yeah, different directive - the mindset.

Boys play better footy today. Play with a different mindset. Be different to last week. And the week before that. And the week before that. Hell, play different to how we have since the bye!

What's that Max? Ok sure, you've averaged 97 points since the bye, coming off the highest score of the season, including a 10 goal quarter. Sure, it snowed in Haddes the last time we scored 10 goals in a quarter. But i want a different mindset - be even MORE attacking.

I'd love to ask Daniel turner what happened late in the quarter when the ball bounced back and turner was near the fence & naughton just grabbed it & snagged the goal with no pressure

10 minutes ago, The Panglossian said:

I was amazed that ( as far as I remember), Jed Adam’s only had one kick-in.That kick went 60m to Gawny in the centre…..probably our best for the year.

So he was relieved of kick-in duties. Perhaps it was against club policy to kick in up the corridor

It reminds me of the brainless tactic( of all clubs), of taking a guy off immediately after he kicks a goal. Laziness by the coaching staff, because it gives them more time to arrange their interchanges.We could gain a small advantage on all other clubs by abandoning this habit.

Surely that was a one-off set play which would be dangerous to repeat and a surprise to the oppos. If they saw Gawn heading to the centre again...... Probably also done to give Jed some fun in his first game. After that a return to kick-ins as usual is not surprising. But it would be worth doing more than once a game if it was planned carefully to ensure we controlled the middle and all players including backs were on board.

10 minutes ago, binman said:

Really?

Oh yeah, different directive - the mindset.

Boys play better footy today. Play with a different mindset. Be different to last week. And the week before that. And the week before that. Hell, play different to how we have since the bye!

What's that Max? Ok sure, you've averaged 97 points since the bye, coming off the highest score of the season, including a 10 goal quarter. Sure, it snowed in Haddes the last time we scored 10 goals in a quarter. But i want a different mindset - be even MORE attacking.

Oh I'm sorry... thought I was talking with someone who knew something of footy.

Played ?? Been coached?

If yes you may recall how that goes.

If you don't think they might have been given a different talk than Goody, given a brief that just might have suggested they look to do one thing more than others... to focus on some aspect they weren't ... well I could go on.

But perhaps you never been on the other side of a coach's address .

I don't really care.

A lot of ppl saw us play a bit different. You not so much maybe.

Back to your stats ... that's where it's at eh 😉

6 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

I'd love to ask Daniel turner what happened late in the quarter when the ball bounced back and turner was near the fence & naughton just grabbed it & snagged the goal with no pressure

I think Turner bounced off the side of the post while Naughton ran across, poked the ball into play etc. Turner may have been unsighted by the post and didn't realise Naugton had kept the ball in until it was too late.

12 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

I'd love to ask Daniel turner what happened late in the quarter when the ball bounced back and turner was near the fence & naughton just grabbed it & snagged the goal with no pressure

From my perspective at the ground it looked like he collided/ricocheted off the goal post and lost his balance.

I was more annoyed at the lack of defenders running back to assist, from memory at the game they looked like the were expecting the ball to go through and were too slow to react to the ball still being in play.

16 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

I'd love to ask Daniel turner what happened late in the quarter when the ball bounced back and turner was near the fence & naughton just grabbed it & snagged the goal with no pressure

Turner found himself off balance with the goal post between him and Naughton. By the time he recovered it was all over rover!

21 minutes ago, sue said:

Surely that was a one-off set play which would be dangerous to repeat and a surprise to the oppos. If they saw Gawn heading to the centre again...... Probably also done to give Jed some fun in his first game. After that a return to kick-ins as usual is not surprising. But it would be worth doing more than once a game if it was planned carefully to ensure we controlled the middle and all players including backs were on board.

They did the exact same play last week with Bowey kicking it to Maxy from a kick out, maxy marks (curiously on his chestvlike yesterday) handball to a receiver who kicked it to Melk who went back and kicked the set shot.

Looking at that last play again, you can see gawn trying to tap it to viney which is an interesting choice given vineys kicking has been horrendous. Would have preferred to see kozzie there