48 minutes ago, The Cult of Disco Turner said:

I guess I’m a bit confused what the difference is between the incident May is going to be suspended for and the incident where May got concussed himself…

In both incidents, all involved players are going for the ball, but May will be suspended for a 50/50 ball that he missed by a millisecond where both players are running for the ball, whereas nobody will be suspended for a flying knee straight to the back of May’s skull (which didn’t even result in a mark).

I love a speccy, but if they’re going to pretend to care about player safety, I do not understand how a running flying knee like that one or the one that almost killed Trac last year is currently acceptable but what May did is so vile blah blah blah.

I think De Koning marked it, looked like mark of the year from where I was sitting 😅

Lots of player, umpiring and coaching reasons we lost so many games this year. But above all we lost most games because we cannot kick straight in front of goal. This is yet another game we have had more shots on goal than the opposition. In all our losses it has been the same - more points than goals. The saints 21/7 to 7/21 was the most obvious but against the pies losing by a point kicking 10/11 to 11/6 the most costly.

Having watched t replay

1 hour ago, Random Task said:

Haynes officially sanctioned for his trip on Jefferson in the 4th quarter.

No free kick paid to Jefferson who would have been 35 metres out on a 45ish degree angle. The scores were 72 to 70 with 4 minutes to play at the time.

Jefferson would not have kicked it in any case. He has been Melbournised and can't kick 30m

Nothing against the young man but he isn't cut out for AFL

Another game by the Dees where we won expected score

Yay

75 to 64

We would be Expected score Premiers by now.

5 hours ago, demoncat said:

I’m so confused why this keeps happening

Finals out of the question, Goodwin confirming we’re in transition and we’re not running ANYONE else through the centre bounce?

I know centre bounce isn’t everything when it comes to midfield minutes but even then it seems that the usual suspects are still the ones lining up around stoppage

Why isn’t Rivers going in there? Why can’t we give Laurie a few games with midfield minutes to see if he can make it? Langford a few CBAs to get experience

But no I’m sure everything will turn if we just keep playing the same players in there week after week

Goodwin is coaching just to protect his job.

19 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Goodwin is coaching just to protect his job.

Well he's failing that as well

2 hours ago, The Cult of Disco Turner said:

I guess I’m a bit confused what the difference is between the incident May is going to be suspended for and the incident where May got concussed himself…

In both incidents, all involved players are going for the ball, but May will be suspended for a 50/50 ball that he missed by a millisecond where both players are running for the ball, whereas nobody will be suspended for a flying knee straight to the back of May’s skull (which didn’t even result in a mark).

I love a speccy, but if they’re going to pretend to care about player safety, I do not understand how a running flying knee like that one or the one that almost killed Trac last year is currently acceptable but what May did is so vile blah blah blah.

We need to get seriously ruthless with our legal counsel

For example bringing that exact argument

Get biomechanic experts to talk about timing

I don’t care what it takes

We are not a serious club otherwise

Look what Collingwood did with Gus. They victim blamed him and got that [censored] off

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Having watched t replay

Jefferson would not have kicked it in any case. He has been Melbournised and can't kick 30m

Nothing against the young man but he isn't cut out for AFL

He kicked one a minute earlier

3 hours ago, stinga said:

But above all we lost most games because we cannot kick straight in front of goal.

"Their game's in pretty good order but they can't score and efficiency continues to be their biggest issue."

Kane Cornes on the Dees

15 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Again last night we only used four players at centre bounce (outside the rucks) - Pickett, Trac, Oliver, Viney.

Since quarter time against Gold Coast it feels like we’ve completely abandoned our bye week plan to change it up and instead have doubled down by adding absolutely no one new into the mix.

I assume part of the strategy is the waning late-season fitness of Langford, Lindsay and Windsor, but zero centre bounces, each week, plus no Rivers, plus not bringing in Laurie or Woewodin or Culley or anyone else new just to try, is to me not the right strategy.

Going all in on the same four each week is how we ended up in this hole.

5 hours ago, ijustwannaseeaflag said:

I haven't much either, lately. Over rated

Same as most of the playing list at MFC

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Another game by the Dees where we won expected score

Yay

75 to 64

We would be Expected score Premiers by now.

Just on this… Surely we’d have to be expected scores ladder leaders???

13 minutes ago, bing181 said:

"Their game's in pretty good order but they can't score and efficiency continues to be their biggest issue."

Kane Cornes on the Dees

Which part of our game is in good order? Not being able to score is generally considered a pretty big issue in pro sports.

35 minutes ago, BoBo said:

Just on this… Surely we’d have to be expected scores ladder leaders???

Nope, but as the GOAT @WheeloRatings tells us, we are far and away the league’s worst side at losing games despite winning on expected score:

We’re -2.8 wins compared to what expected score ought to have delivered. Only Carlton and WC (both -1.6) and Sydney (-1.0) are at -1 win or worse. Indeed, us and those three clubs aside, everyone sits between -1 to +1 except GWS who is a ridiculous +3.7.

@WheeloRatings do you have the basic W-L based on xScore (ie just a ladder giving each win to the higher xScore)?

8 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Nope, but as the GOAT @WheeloRatings tells us, we are far and away the league’s worst side at losing games despite winning on expected score:

We’re -2.8 wins compared to what expected score ought to have delivered. Only Carlton and WC (both -1.6) and Sydney (-1.0) are at -1 win or worse. Indeed, us and those three clubs aside, everyone sits between -1 to +1 except GWS who is a ridiculous +3.7.

@WheeloRatings do you have the basic W-L based on xScore (ie just a ladder giving each win to the higher xScore)?

-2.8 is diabolical

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Nope, but as the GOAT @WheeloRatings tells us, we are far and away the league’s worst side at losing games despite winning on expected score:

We’re -2.8 wins compared to what expected score ought to have delivered. Only Carlton and WC (both -1.6) and Sydney (-1.0) are at -1 win or worse. Indeed, us and those three clubs aside, everyone sits between -1 to +1 except GWS who is a ridiculous +3.7.

@WheeloRatings do you have the basic W-L based on xScore (ie just a ladder giving each win to the higher xScore)?

I think this is what I meant but I didn’t say it correctly! So we lose the most games that we should’ve won on expected scores?

9 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Which part of our game is in good order? Not being able to score is generally considered a pretty big issue in pro sports.

Actually if you whittle away everything about the game to its essence all you have is ... scoring. I mean that is the nucleus of the game right there. To Score. To outscore your opponent.

And we're 💩 at it.

The actual fundamental of the game... and we're cactus.

If that doesn't spell out what's wrong with our 'Brains Trust' nothing does.

The club's priorities are all [censored] about.

15 hours ago, Previously known as LITD. said:

I thought our average age for our premiership team was quite young.

Apart from our fwd line collapsing, what happened?

Do they just lose their appetite? And if so, why?

coach destroyed their appetite and enthusiasm in my view

12 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Well he's failing that as well

Dunno. Seems like very little pressure is on him.

So we have demonstrably got worse in the past 4 years and its just 'carry on' as you are.

No discernable game plan, players getting worse at a personal level, few players have improved, same problems of scoring and 'connection, same midfield that are turnover merchants, no key fwd, same selection issues..

Have I missed anything? We re pretty much irrelevant now with terrible timeslots and a media that couldn't care less about the Demons.

This administration and coaching panel - or lack of it - is killing the club

How can we lose so easily, when a force of nature like Kozzie is dominanting games like this?

On 20/07/2025 at 09:38, jumbo returns said:

Quoting a Dees’ fan from another platform:

‘Why doesn’t Petracca play more like Heeney?’

Good question

Why doesn't Roo play more like Hudson?

On 20/07/2025 at 10:29, DubDee said:

interesting question

answer might be that Trac can’t finish

As one gets older - it's not unknown.

On 20/07/2025 at 10:37, ijustwannaseeaflag said:

This club is a major f......g disappointment. The whole coaching group needs to go, bugger off.

Trade Oliver, foot skills are deplorable. Would lump Petracca in the same boat, but he can still become a matchwinner again, so he is a keep. Tell McVeigh to either sign or bugger off. Trade Lever. Build a backline around Petty and Turner. Pickett, Langford and Rivers as the starting mids.

Christ, the forwards! Must get someone in, maybe McKay. At least he can take a grab, leads to the ball, and has a bit of forward nous. Alongside JVR. Jefferson makes Hipwood look like King Kong, trade him.

Really glad I paid the extra membership for the GF guarantee....jeesus

22 hours ago, doomsday dee said:

Who's McVeigh,never seen him

He retired years ago - never played for us anyway.

10 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

He retired years ago - never played for us anyway.

Exactly,some people don't even know there own players but want to have a opinion 🤔

It obviously looks really bad, but apart from this year, expected score differential to actual hasn’t been a chronic issue for us. In fact in 2024 we won more games that we were expected to lose than vice versa (including winning the away game against Port which was hugely unlikely based on expected score). The thing that really hurts is that since 2022 it’s been 14 times we’ve lost when we should’ve won, but 3 of those times were finals and 7 were against either Collingwood or Carlton. The last 4 times against Carlton have followed a similar script; our actual score has been at or slightly below expected but Carlton’s has been way above expected.

The losses in finals may point to the concern having some mental component, but the data suggests the biggest factor is something we don’t like to accept as a part of the game: luck/chance. Carlton have been terrible at converting and they had a day out against us (again). I’d much rather putting our energy into ensuring that we create so many more chances than the opposition that winning becomes more likely than to worrying about conversion issues which typically can’t be sustained over long period above expected based on the data. When you look at it, even if we were at parity with the expected ladder this year it’s still a nothing season and we have issues elsewhere.