19 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Severe reality adjustment required. Major attitude problem.

Don't think his attitude is the issue at all. He tries hard but he's slow and lacks composure, kind of floats around contests not really knowing how to involve himself.

32 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

She's qualified because she waved to him at training once

Yes but it’s not like I waved from 50 metres away. It was barely 20 metres so that makes us best friends.

😃

5 hours ago, deanox said:

I'm not worried about Kolt. Doesn't mean I think he'll make it, but I think it's too early and I still don't mind his selection: he's a high ceiling, low floor candidate.

He was injured preseason, and deserves a bit of time to get fitness right and find his spot in the system before we write him off.

He has had so many "maybe moments" where he has fumbled or spilt a mark or not been clean with his one touch. It's not what he showed in his under highlights, where he was clean with good hands and strong overhead for his size (I know they are cherry picked highlights).

I don't know if that will translate to AFL level; maybe the extra speed and size and pressure means he is at his limit. But I still think he has attributes that will be valuable if he makes it, and for those reasons I am happy we are giving him a go.

I do think he could use time at Casey to really get on top of the pace of the game but I'm not sure who comes in for him as a half forward. Billings? Sharp? Spargo? Are the only options. So I'm happy they are backing in a kid.

This for me sums Kolt up. For a 15 game player in his second season with no preseason, he is getting into enough right spots hes just not clean at the critical time. With fitness and some more games under his belt this will turn around and he can start to show us what he has got, or hanst got.

1 hour ago, The Taciturn Demon said:

I reckon this is the difference between everyone in the massive disposal category most players fall into (somewhere between terrible and good) and the very best ball users. For anyone who's not great (I hate the word elite), there's a period of cog-turning between realising you're a chance to get the footy and getting rid of it. For the best, that cognitive processing is so fast it seems like it doesn't happen.

The great thing about "just get it on the boot" or "blast it down the line" is it dispenses with the need for that processing. In 2021 it gave poor or average disposers freedom to concentrate much more on getting it. What to do with it? That was a problem passed on to Max Gawn, Ben Brown, Tom McDonald and Bayley Fritsch.

Now our players are being asked not to do that anymore, and many are finding it difficult to adjust. (I know that doesn't explain Tholstrup and Windsor, but this post is a bit of a tangent.) Some will get there. Others just aren't naturally good at it. I keep thinking, though, that Tom McDonald shows you don't need to massively improve your kicking to massively improve your effectiveness.

He is comfortably one of the worst technical field kicks I've seen. But the disastrous turnovers have almost completely dried up, and not just because he went forward and spent a lot of time kicking at goals rather than players. He's dependable in the backline as well. In great part, I think, it's about playing within limitations. Where previously he would attempt to bite off kicks Aaron Davey couldn't make, now he takes the safe, although not always completely conservative, option.

I'm sure you can get better at making quicker, better decisions. But for some players, it might be best to demand that they play within their limitations - look for the handball or the easy sideways kick to a better disposer - than hoping they'll increase the speed of their cog-turning.

There is nothing great about this

14 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

There is nothing great about this

It went a fair way to getting us the first cup in six decades.

21 hours ago, MrFreeze said:

The kid had an injury that kept him out for 12 weeks. I will hold on passing judgement until he has a full preseason or two under his belt.

Was nibs doing this in his 2nd year? Bit of a revisionist history IMO. He certainly stood out with his work rate, but his disposal used to be horrendous and he was incredibly fumbly.

100% on this.

What’s the common feature of Lever, McVee, Lindsay and Tholstrup? All had greatly interrupted preseasons , none are at their best now. Give Kolt time, I believe he will make it.. Didn’t he kick 2 decent goals in about 10minutrs against StK on the G last year?

On 06/07/2025 at 21:32, Wizard of Koz said:

I want to add, which sound magnanimous, but I do hope Kolt takes it the right way. He probably does read the forum I know I would at the same age and stage. I started the thread and feel a bit guilty that he would be feeling [censored] after reading it. But I suppose that is the purpose of a footy forum to talk all things MFC.

7 hours ago, Wizard of Koz said:

Started the scuffle and dropped easy chest mark not long after due to lack of stamina i presume. He looked foolish with his fake anger and misused energy

How’s that guilty feeling going now, Bud?

Eight days later and you’re still running him down. Clearly it’s fake guilt just like Kolt’s “fake anger.”

The resident weirdo is not impressed 😂

18 hours ago, old dee said:

Today he had 10 minutes in the last quarter. I would have subed him off at 3/4 time. Just not senior standard at present. We were playing North, if you cannot have a reasonable game today when can you.

Isn’t there a case for giving extra time on some occasions if you are not at the top of your game to see if you can find some form.

Not necessarily risking the result of course.

I really can't understand his draft selection if I'm being completely honest. He's not skillful, he's not quick, he's not tall, he's not mercurial, so what were his strengths?

His draft profile says he is a fierce competitor with an enormous work rate. Did Kolt win our 3km time trial in 2024? Because Darcy Wilson did at the Saints.

To me, he seems like another Goody selection where he's valued competitiveness over what's required in the modern game. I thought by the 2023 draft we were done with this mantra but perhaps it only hit home in 2024.

24 minutes ago, 58er said:

Isn’t there a case for giving extra time on some occasions if you are not at the top of your game to see if you can find some form.

Not necessarily risking the result of course.

He has had numerous games this year and IMO rarely justifies his spot in the senior side. A week or two back he went back to Casey for a game which was not more than average and then straight back in. He needs to find form at the lower level. Now I acknowledge he had a poor preseason due to injury.

4 hours ago, The Taciturn Demon said:

And he very nearly was. Before he became the player most supporters were devastated to lose, he was told by the FD he'd be best to explore options for a trade.

Thank god someone mentioned this. I was reading this thread thinking to myself, “surely everyone remembers at the end of 2020 when ANB was told he could looks elsewhere. No teams wanted him.

Re Kolt. Never really understood why we were so enthusiastic to get him at the time as he seemingly had no translatable elite traits but happy to be patient as he is now ours.

I do worry that we seem to gift him games. I don’t like the standard it sets for him or his teammates playing at Casey. Maybe I am missing something and he does something specific that isn’t easy to track as a supporter but the eye test does make me a tad nervous at times. Hopefully his teammates feel differently.

11 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I really can't understand his draft selection if I'm being completely honest. He's not skillful, he's not quick, he's not tall, he's not mercurial, so what were his strengths?

His draft profile says he is a fierce competitor with an enormous work rate. Did Kolt win our 3km time trial in 2024? Because Darcy Wilson did at the Saints.

To me, he seems like another Goody selection where he's valued competitiveness over what's required in the modern game. I thought by the 2023 draft we were done with this mantra but perhaps it only hit home in 2024.

So is Goody only responsible for the unsuccessful picks, and JT responsible for just the successful ones?

You've got to be [censored] kidding me with this thread.

The kid turned 20 two [censored] weeks ago.

What is the obsession with you sad sacks always needing to have someone to write off?

Edited July 14Jul 14 by JTR

11 minutes ago, JTR said:

You've got to be [censored] kidding me with this thread.

The kid turned 20 two [censored] weeks ago.

What is the obsession with you sad sacks always needing to have someone to write off?

This is what happens when Spargo is playing at Casey and Petty is concussed.

Nobody love a weekly whipping boy more than Demonlanders.

30 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Did Kolt win our 3km time trial in 2024? Because Darcy Wilson did at the Saints.

The same Darcy Wilson that was omitted this week from the mediocre St Kilda side?

2 hours ago, The Taciturn Demon said:

It went a fair way to getting us the first cup in six decades.

There's a big difference between what we did in 21 to just banging it down the line or slamming it on the boot.

14 minutes ago, 48 Year Now said:

I feel he can become our own pest, he annoys the opposition. Ego a bit ahead of ability for now but each year he will get stronger and opposition mids will get older. Hes going to be a good one.

Let’s accept we are not making finals and get as much experience into guys like Kolt as we can. I do t care if he’s tired or can’t run too much. All a learning as to how fit and strong he needs to get.

It would be good to have more detail on why he will b

55 minutes ago, JTR said:

You've got to be [censored] kidding me with this thread.

The kid turned 20 two [censored] weeks ago.

What is the obsession with you sad sacks always needing to have someone to write off?

The adults are having a conversation. Best you fire your misplaced frustration elsewhere.

If Kolt was on the cusp of being of AFL standard similar to, say Jeffo I would understand getting games into him to get him up to that next standard. But at the moment he is so far off the pace that I don't see how it helps either the team or himself by playing him .He just looks lost out there .There may be valid excuses for this but that should not in its self be a reason for selection. Surely there is an overarching responsibility for the club to try and win games and select a team that may do that. An extended stint at Casey (where at the moment he is no walk up start } will hopefully help him attune to senior football .

33 minutes ago, Wizard of Koz said:

It would be good to have more detail on why he will b

The adults are having a conversation. Best you fire your misplaced frustration elsewhere.

Have you had a read through your own thread? Surely you're having a laugh.

At a time where there are numerous far more pressing issues for you hand wringers to be gnashing your teeth over, we have a collective pile on to write off a just turned 20yo, 2nd year player who has had an interrupted preseason and played a grand total of 18 games.

Yep sure, I am the one who is off the mark... 🤣

Edited July 14Jul 14 by JTR

1 hour ago, Wizard of Koz said:

It would be good to have more detail on why he will b

The adults are having a conversation. Best you fire your misplaced frustration elsewhere.

Pot/kettle

9 hours ago, Hatchman said:

I love his aggression and willingness to get stuck into his opponents. We need that

But other than that... he offers little else!

3 hours ago, Demonstone said:

The same Darcy Wilson that was omitted this week from the mediocre St Kilda side?

The mediocre side that is on one less win than us that also beat us by 5 goals? Wilson is still having a far better year than Kolt (who I can almost guarantee he'll get dropped this week). He's an elite runner who finished 4th in the rising star last year and had had games of 3 goals.

Put simply, at this stage, the Saints chose the better player.

Edited July 14Jul 14 by At the break of Gawn

6 hours ago, BangBnagBang said:

This for me sums Kolt up. For a 15 game player in his second season with no preseason, he is getting into enough right spots hes just not clean at the critical time. With fitness and some more games under his belt this will turn around and he can start to show us what he has got, or hanst got.

There is nothing great about this

4 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I really can't understand his draft selection if I'm being completely honest. He's not skillful, he's not quick, he's not tall, he's not mercurial, so what were his strengths?

His draft profile says he is a fierce competitor with an enormous work rate. Did Kolt win our 3km time trial in 2024? Because Darcy Wilson did at the Saints.

To me, he seems like another Goody selection where he's valued competitiveness over what's required in the modern game. I thought by the 2023 draft we were done with this mantra but perhaps it only hit home in 2024.

I can’t believe people are complaining about his fitness. Or his speed.

I seem to remember that he finished quite well at the combine – so I found the 2023 results. Here they are.

Bear in mind that this was from 2 years ago, so he has probably improved even with interrupted training. He would be right at the top end of our 2KM trial, probably just behind Sharp.

Pretty sure none of the commentators on here can run a 6.17?

2km time trial

Tarkyn O’Leary (Sandringham Dragons/Parkdale Vultures) - 5 minutes, 48 seconds
Darcy Wilson (Murray Bushrangers/Wangaratta Rovers) - 5:52
Ethan Read (Gold Coast Suns Academy/Palm Beach Currumbin) - 5:56
Jordan Croft (Calder Cannons/Maribyrnong Park) - 6:05
Caiden Cleary (Sydney Swans Academy/Sydney University) - 6:06
Aiden O’Driscoll (Perth/Northam Saints) - 6:06
Archie Roberts (Sandringham Dragons/Hampton Rovers) - 6:08
Connor O’Sullivan (Murray Bushrangers/Albury) - 6:11
Joel Freijah (GWV Rebels/Horsham Saints) - 6:13
Harvey Johnston (Sandringham Dragons/Parkdale Vultures) - 6:17
Koltyn Tholstrup (Subiaco/Newtown Condingup) - 6:17

Agility

Lance Collard (Subiaco/North Beach) - 8.157 seconds
Koltyn Tholstrup (Subiaco/Newtown Condingup) - 8.194
Angus Hastie (Geelong Falcons/Geelong West Giants) - 8.204
Bodie Ryan (Glenelg/Brighton) - 8.208
Zane Zakostelsky (Claremont/North Beach) - 8.233
Ashton Moir (Glenelg/Plympton) - 8.244
Reece Torrent (Peel Thunder/Halls Head) - 8.260
Darcy Wilson (Murray Bushrangers/Wangaratta Rovers) - 8.263
Aiden O’Driscoll (Perth/Northam Saints) - 8.302
Nate Caddy (Northern Knights/Yarrambat) - 8.331

19 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

The mediocre side that is on one less win than us that also beat us by 5 goals?

That unpalatable fact has no relevance whatsoever to this discussion.

4 hours ago, JJJ said:

Thank god someone mentioned this. I was reading this thread thinking to myself, “surely everyone remembers at the end of 2020 when ANB was told he could looks elsewhere. No teams wanted him.

Re Kolt. Never really understood why we were so enthusiastic to get him at the time as he seemingly had no translatable elite traits but happy to be patient as he is now ours.

I do worry that we seem to gift him games. I don’t like the standard it sets for him or his teammates playing at Casey. Maybe I am missing something and he does something specific that isn’t easy to track as a supporter but the eye test does make me a tad nervous at times. Hopefully his teammates feel differently.

I don't really get the ANB comparisons. He was never a bad player, just a whipping boy. Also picked about 20 picks later so expectations were far lower, but still a better player than Tholstrup at the same stage of his career.

If Tholstrup is to get on ANB's trajectory next year he needs to have cemented his spot in the team, average 18 disposals, 4 tackles and just under a goal a game.